To tell DD to get over it (PE related)

[RachyMumUk]

Got some views over in Secondary yesterday but DD is still moaning.

Dance in PE is done in bare feet at her school (as it was at ours). I've not problem with this but now she has started moaning (all weekend!) that the teacher should take her shoes and socks off too......

I've told her to get over it but she is still going on about how "unfair it all is"

Do I tell her to get over it or does she have a point?

I see that you got common sense answers when you started it secondary- did you expect differently on here?
The general consensus is 'get over it'. She will have to anyway.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/secondary/2363978-PE-teachers-setting-the-example?msgid=54015618#54015618

Jessica I totally agree with you

The thing is PE teachers are doing PE all day so what is reasonable for the pupil for 50 minutes or whatever isn't really reasonable for someone to do for 6 or 7 hours a day. Also the teacher isn't "doing" the activity so kids running round a hockey pitch when it is cold is different to teacher standing on sidelines.

I say this as someone who hated PE.

Dont get why the teacher has to set an example. Yabu. Your dd would have hates the 1980s when we did pe in vest and pants at primary school and bare feet. I remember it being alot of fun but teacher was fully dressed.

Camel

Teachers want students to take their shoes off, because if some are allowed to keep them on, then there will inevitably be one darling little child who thinks that 'accidently' stomping on someone's bare feet is hilarious.

The teacher leaves their shoes on, because if someone gets injured, they need to go for help or be able to intervene, not be faffing around putting their shoes back on.

'The teachers all sit in the staff room,
The teachers all drink Tea,
The teachers all have a good natter,
As cosy as can be!

We have too go out at playtime,
Unless we bring a note,
Or its tipping down with rain,
Or we haven't got a coat.

We have to go out at playtime, whether we like it or not,
And freeze to death if it's freezing,
And boil to death if its hot!

The teachers can sit in the staffroom
And have a cozy chat
We have to go out at playtime
Where's the fairness in that?

It's from 'Please Mrs Butler' a collection of poems I bought back in the 80s.
Tell you what OP, I'll set an example if parents set an example and model all the behaviour they want in their children all the time.
Last week, a reception child put her daddy on the naughty step for being rude. He went and took the sandtimer with him.

Hag love that book. Love the head aster hymn..

who knew this was such an epidemic?....there are a dozen or so threads about this

your daughter does like to make a fuss about her feet Rachey...and not seeing her teacher's.

Oddly enough, I'm also with jessica on this.
A rule is far more effective when you give the reason behind it, that you aren't just making things up, or 'because I say so' In primary, you usually explain why.
But unlike secondary, most primary children will nod, or ask a question to clarify. Or sigh with resignation and comply.
They won't go into an argumentative, head-to-head, disruptive rant about how it isn't fair. Every time.

' Hag love that book. Love the head master hymn..'

I always sing that one. I think I've been through a dozen copies of the book, I've had them pinched by teachers and I've given a coupls to students who were obsessed with it.

Hag, most teens don't either. But then again, I explain the rules after the lesson, not during a lesson so even if they do they get argumentative they aren't disrupting anyone's learning. If they know you will give them a chance to make their point, then mostly they remain calm. When I started teaching, I found that "because I said so" was when they became argumentative and so I tried this approach. It seems to work better, so I stick with it.

If it's contemporary or modern dance then bare feet are appropriate. If tap - that would hurt. My kids dance - would love them to choose a discipline where they could do it in bare feet as shoe costs are astronomical every time their feet grow.

Jessica sometimes we all need to do things without an explanation. If something dangerous happens in the lab do you have a discussion about it or tell them to leave the room and expect them to do it.

granny, during lessons they have to obey the rules at all times. If they want to know why the rules exist they can stay behind and ask after the lesson. Its the same when I issue a sanction. During the lesson I won't discuss it, but if they want to stay behind to explain their side of the story I will listen. Because they know I will listen after the lesson, they don't try to argue with me during the lesson (mostly). I haven't always taught this way, but it works for me at the moment.

Personally, I find it much easier to follow rules I understand. I find that teens are also more likely to follow rules they understand. Its not simply that I think it is right (though I definitely do), its that I find it works for me. When I was teaching in an all-girls grammar I didn't need it - the kids did as they were told and rarely argued. When I went to an inner-city mixed comp I had to change my strategies and it seemed to work.