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to ask about child protection plan? (Sorry this is long)

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concernedaunty · 24/04/2015 09:29

Name changed regular.

Long story cut short, my brother was married to a lady with learning difficulties and they had a son. Son now 8. His wife could stay at home independently with the baby, but could not meet his needs long term on her own if that makes sense? She was always very paranoid and eventually left him due to her having suspicions that he was after a visa (we are not UK nationals, but settled in the UK for many years so visa certainly not an issue)

Her family were very much on board with her as they always had reservations about my forrin brother. They had a good relationship though, could see he looked after her and the baby well etc. Brother had every weekend access, she always made accusations of abuse that were always investigated and deemed to be untrue. Contact during these investigations was always stopped and/or supervised. Social worker report always stated that it was clear that the boy was being manipulated to say certain things etc.

My ex SIL is now in a relationship and is pregnant. (We didn't know this as the boy is always picked up/dropped off with his maternal uncle, so no contact with the mother) My brother got weekend contact again several months ago after an abuse investigation (which again was proved untrue) and got a phone call from social services calling him for a child protection meeting. We were all really shocked, went along for the meeting where his ex wife was with her advocates, 17 other professionals in the room ranging from nephews school teacher to paediatrician to police officer.

We were allowed access to the report half an hour before the meeting started and we were totally horrified at what we read. It was something out of your worst nightmare. How nephew frequently masterbates, encourages classmates to do the same, tries to touch adults genitals etc. Also according to school teacher is emotionally disturbed, has constant anxiety outbursts in class. This is not the loving, friendly boy we know at the weekends!!!

All of this came about as mother claimed that nephew is sexually abusing her boyfriend (!) and claims that my brother instructed him how to etc. There is something we are not being told, a few times my ex SIL went to say things and a police officer said "I advise you not to say that" etc. Her boyfriend is supposedly banned from her home (due to these allegations) but nephews social worker wrote in his report that nephew is frequently sent outside so that boyfriend can enter the house as she cannot cope on her own.

Sorry this is so long, basically the chairperson (?) concluded that ex SIL is not aware of the importance of keeping nephew safe and he is now on child protection list/register. It was stated that nephew is emotionally abused (confirmed) and at likely risk of sexual abuse and neglect. We are completely devastated, can't believe that we haven't been told this before and obviously we are distraught for nephew. My brother has now applied for full custody, all of previous SS reports were positive about how he has a great bond with DN etc.

My question is, if one child is on child protection will the unborn baby automatically be? We are so keen to get DN out of this situation. I can't believe that this has gone on for so long (report states concerns about DN's sexualised behavior/emotional disturbance several years ago) and no one has raised it, let alone a child being allowed to stay in this situation. Court date in 8 weeks so DB has supervise contact until then.

Many thanks if you have read this far!

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concernedaunty · 24/04/2015 21:27

What if the child says he/she wants to live with the "risky" parent?

DN is very defensive towards his Mum and I doubt that he would openly admit that he would like to live with his Dad.

SW reported that initially DN speaks badly of his time with DB, says he doesn't want contact with him etc, but after 10/15 minutes when he is feeling more relaxed speaks highly of him, says he enjoys his time and wants more contact. SW says this is proof of DN being "indoctrinated" as he (DN) often does not know the meaning of things he has said.

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textfan · 24/04/2015 21:28

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concernedaunty · 24/04/2015 21:30

When DB sees DN at contact centre who is legally "in charge" of DN? Could DB refuse to give him back over and take him to his house? I would have thought this was not a good idea as it would upset DN and also DB only has supervised contact, therefore this might be breaking the rules?

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RB68 · 24/04/2015 21:49

DB should not do this - it would not help his case in any way and would be perceived badly. I would say its the person supervising the contact that has legal responsibility for the child, you would need to check that but if you think about it they are there to ensure the child is protected "just in case" and as such could remove the child without any involvement from anyone else. DB can't do that. I know its slow and frustrating but encourage him to act sensibly and work with the system for the best outcome.

RB68 · 24/04/2015 21:52

you definitely need some better legal advice. I understand that a child can also have their own solicitor to look out for their interests as opposed to Mum or Dads as well.

wherethewildthingis · 24/04/2015 22:31

I don't really understand why the contact is supervised- is that court ordered?

concernedaunty · 24/04/2015 22:42

where the usual pattern is: allegation made, contact is stopped until family court, contact centre organized (this takes weeks sometimes) and contact is supervised there until investigation is finished (and new court day arranged) Repeat on loop.

I believe this is standard procedure when an abuse allegation is made?

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wherethewildthingis · 24/04/2015 23:34

I started to type a reply but I think actually what I want to say is your brother needs to get some better legal advice, ask for a meeting with the social worker and go from there

Coyoacan · 25/04/2015 00:18

I'm not any type of expert in legal matters, but if you brother does not speak English like a native, he should be entitled to an interpreter in these situations. He might it a help to get things completely clear in his head.

But I also think he should get a more effective lawyer.

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