Hate to say but think Nigel farage is correct on this one but still a twat

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Last nite on the debate NF was talking about the freedoms of movement and basically saying when it was us
France, Nordic countries and Italy possibly Spain bevause we have partorty in living standards, laws , pay and and justice system is not the same but up to starch so to speak it worked the moment very poor countires were let in that had often very corrupt and in stable governments and very diffrents standards of living it all went a bit Pete tong

Usually I think NF speaks utter droll but on this point I think he may be right I know we can all move around which is nice but I did wonder how many Brits and though I know I really need to move to romaina for example or have moved to Poland

she ducks head from flames being thrown

link to how many British people live in Bulgaria
Nigel Farage is wrong about this, too. Lots of British people actively seek out countries that do not have parity in living standards because they like the idea of cheap property/booze etc. I assume he said it because he thought he could fool the gullible into believing that his stance is not simply xenophobic.

Op. I'm sorry but your post isn't that easy to read.
I get what you're saying but I don't agree.
It's a slippery slope when you start nodding in agreement to NF

YABU

I think this is the problem with NF. A lot of what he says makes absolute sense on the surface. However, when you look at it and think about it it becomes clearer that it is racist twaddle.

This popped up on my Facebook feed this morning and made me snigger.

Freedom of movement is a fundamental part of the Treaty of Rome and has to do with perfect markets. If Nigel Farage wants to talk about economics, and say that he either believes that protectionism and inter-European trade barriers are preferable to economic cooperation, then fine. Or, if he wants to say that freedom of movement is not necessary for perfect markets, then fine.

But, to talk about the quality of shifting labour is just bollocks. Either he argues with the principles of the Treaty of Rome or he shuts up.

I've tried really hard, but I don't understand your post.
But I'm 100% certain that YABU anyway.

Please just check your posts before you send them, I don't mean to sound patronising but they are so difficult to read you really aren't making any sense at all.

It's loads of bollocks that only makes sense if you take everything he says at face value. Italy and Spain are much more of a liability to the EU than Poland and Romania, where the standard of living may be lower but the unemployment rate is fairly low and the economic growth rate actually higher than in the UK. In real terms the benefit of free trading in Eastern Europe far outweighs the cost of free movement, but people like Farage find it easier to put their arguments forward by blathering on about immigration because that's what the gullible public finds it easy to relate to.

I'm not really able to follow your post, except the crossed out bit, oddly.

Have you been at the wine?

The OP is saying that rich or richer European countries didn't drain the economies of the countries cooperating in Europe. But, once poorer countries like Greece, Poland and some from Eastern Europe were let in, then the economies that they took money from suffered loss and not gain. It's an argument which relies on the fact that a rich country fares better in isolation. It's rubbish.

In a nutshell the OP is saying that the freedom of movement worked with countries with similar living standards. When Eastern Euorpean countries like Bulgaria and Poland were included it all went wrong.

Not many British people move to Romania for example whereas lots of Romanians want to move here.

It's all bollocks of course!

Only correct in terms of the broad point that the EU was expanded too rapidly. That's not in any way to endorse any other aspect of his policy or views though.

Aha. Then yes, yabu. Massively.

I know on mn people get furious when you criticise their spelling and grammar. But if you don't bother to use any punctuation, and litter your post with spelling mistakes and text speak, it just becomes impossible to read. Then it wouldn't matter if you were making a really good point; no one would understand it.
Fortunately you are not making a good point at all.

I think I get your jist but your post is almost impossible to understand!.

DH has an aunt (English) & her partner who moved to Bulgaria like 20 yrs ago.

I'm resigned to UK leaving EU, now I'm curious about what follows. Could UK really negotiate free trade but limited movement of labour? Other western European countries don't seem to moan about influx of Eastern Europeans, or do they?

Sorry - should read gist not jist.

Could UK really negotiate free trade but limited movement of labour?

Last time Dave asked Angela, she said, no. But, maybe she was just trying to soften him up.

ragged Why are you 'resigned to UK leaving EU'? Most people are in favour of staying in, despite what the Daily Express, Daily Mail and Nigel Farage would have you believe! link

No. He's wrong. About everything.

Actually I think Farage was right on that point. My understanding was that he said when the EU enlarged and several countries with far lower wages etc joined, it was bad for low earners in the UK as the influx of cheap labour has held down wages at the bottom, whilst corporates benefitted from the suppressed wages.

There's nothing wrong with agreeing with some of his points, I agreed with some of the points from all the leaders

You would be very surprised about how many British people live in the old Eastern bloc countries.

UKIP are basically the BNP with a golf club membership and red trousers. Anything they have to say is garbled bullshit. AHEM.

Any woman considering voting for this bunch of far right 'man of the people' idiots should really take a good look at their policies surrounding maternity leave, just as a starter. Any person, man or woman, needs to have a look at their policies on the NHS..again, just as a amuse bouche, before moving on to their policies on education, welfare, defence, taxation, the environment, local government, foreign (OH NO JOHNNY FOREIGNER!) policy as their main meal and maybe leave some room to read about all the outstanding gaffes and appalling things that UKIP members have accidentally blurted out over the last couple of years as a delightful dessert.

That thing we're all told about when someone tells you who they are - listen, usually relates to shitty relationships. So if someone says "I'm broken, you shouldn't be with me" then you should LISTEN to that. UKIP do that ALL the time. Ignore them, and vote for them at your peril but please don't because it's all of our peril

There are many UK citizens living in many, many places all across the world. Including Eastern Europe.