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To think parents should take responsibility if children chase sheep on country walk?

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Firethorn · 26/03/2015 18:13

Recently went for a country walk (public right of way across farmland) with SIL, my 2 nieces, and another couple and their 3 kids. Crossing a sheep-field, the 5 kids started chasing sheep, trying to 'round them up' in a flock like they'd seen sheepdogs do on TV. I asked SIL if we should stop them, she said no they always do this it's not doing any harm. Other couple agreed and said the kids are having fun, let them play with the sheep. I was a bit concerned as one child was carrying a stick and waving it around, but respected the parents' decision.
Shortly afterwards an irate farmer marched towards us shouting and swearing! She was really aggressive and had a snarling dog (off the lead), dog was circling us but not approaching. For about 5 minutes mins she yelled and swore at the kids for chasing her sheep. All 3 parents then turned on their kids and told them off, lying that they'd been telling them to stop but they'd disobeyed! (They hadn't told them to stop at any point). My niece burst into tears and hid behind me and I lost my temper with farmer for swearing at kids, told her to back off and stop shouting, and to get dog under control. The dad of one of other kids then threatened to kick the dog if it came near his kids, and after some more shouting we decided to go back way we'd come. She shouted abuse after us until we were out of sight!

I'm annoyed with other parents for letting their kids chase sheep then lying about trying to stop them! Also with farmer for being so intimidating and rude. SIL says we should just have apologised and carried on walking. AIBU?

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BoreOfWhabylon · 26/03/2015 22:56

Justin Elliott is rich bloke buying up Ambridge and putting roads through it and letting his culverts get blocked so that when it rains and rains and rains there are massive floods that led to poor silent Freda Fry dying and broke Bert's heart.

Dum di dum di dum di dum...

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msgrinch · 26/03/2015 22:57

Head meet brick wall.

Salmotrutta · 26/03/2015 22:57

But why should locals put signs up on gates for "newcomers and tourists"?

Just, why?

Why can't the newcomers and tourists grow a brain? Read the Country Code? Educate themselves on the rural lifestyle?

Koalafications · 26/03/2015 22:58

Oh dear, townies in the countryside really should be illegal.

Sad but I behave myself and wouldn't ever do something this stupid.

ProfessorVonIgelfeld · 26/03/2015 22:58

I despair Shock. Does it matter what the kids' intentions were? They were harassing animals with a stick fgs! Why do you keep spouting the same crap nonsense when people keep trying to explain to you that the farmer is not obliged to put signs up for you - it's your responsibility to educate yourselves and to behave in a responsible manner and ensure the children do too!

asmallandnoisymonkey · 26/03/2015 22:59

I completely give up on the OP, dense as custard.

KatieKaye · 26/03/2015 22:59

Oh dear, OP, you are displaying a stunning lack of basic understanding.
You and your family are devoid of basic knowledge of life in the country, including the fact that lambs are born in the spring. Because you never see or hear of "spring lamb", do you?

No, it is not up to farmers to educate people trespassing on their land and harassing the livestock, any more than it is up to motorists to educate people who decide to walk in the middle of the road.

Justin Elliott is an estate manager in The Archers, who is hurriedly clearing ditches that may have contributed to a flood, btw. Which led to the disappearance of a beloved dog. Some sheep also drowned, but the llamas are okay!

DawnOfTheDoggers · 26/03/2015 23:00

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Salmotrutta · 26/03/2015 23:01

Ah, right.

The Archers.

Reminds me of a dear (city) friend who fondly imagined she knew all about farming routines because she listened to the Archers...

Except she didn't realise that farming routine/cycles in Scotland are generally 3-4 weeks later due to the cooler weather Grin.

She didn't half feel daft when she tried to engage some other farming friends of ours in conversation...

Koalafications · 26/03/2015 23:02

Firethorn your posts are coming across as very ignorant.

It's a 'game' to chase sheep?

They are used to being herded? By small children? Do you really think that the children have the same skills as a sheepdog? Do you not realise that the sheep will have been working with that dog for a while?

Honestly, it's not the farmers responsibility to educate you and your family. It's your job to educate yourselves.

FFS, grow up.

Pipbin · 26/03/2015 23:02

No op. The farmer shouldn't have to put up a sign no more than you should have to put up a sign asking people not to walk through your garden and jump in your flower beds.

SukieTuesday · 26/03/2015 23:02

Ignorance is not an excuse. It's a basic rule of the countryside that you leave livestock alone. Full stop. The onus is on you to know that. Their parents probably let them harass swans in the park too.

TinLizzie · 26/03/2015 23:03

OP - your attitude is the reason that bags on peanuts say "warning: may contain nuts".

TheWitTank · 26/03/2015 23:04

15 pages in and no further forward. Chucking in the towel. Painful. Just painful.

msgrinch · 26/03/2015 23:05

thinlizzie you've just made my week.

DawnOfTheDoggers · 26/03/2015 23:06

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KatieKaye · 26/03/2015 23:06

There is no difference to the sheep, OP. None at all.
Why on earth do you think the farmer was so furious with you? Don't you think she had better things to do with her day than have to deal with a group of plonkers? Your SILs point was so stupid I wonder why you think it worthy of inclusion. It just makes her sound more ignorant than ever. The sheep are not playthings for spoilt children to interfere with. totally false and absurdly warped logic.

echt · 26/03/2015 23:07

The sheep harassment aside, one of the saddest things about this this thread is that the children have learned that their parents, the people who they are meant to trust, did not hesitate to cover their own backs rather than take responsibility for their lackadaisical attitudes.

Sad Angry

Koalafications · 26/03/2015 23:08

Dawn no, I promise I will be on my best behaviour!

TinLizzie Grin That is very true.

BoreOfWhabylon · 26/03/2015 23:09

Salmo it's also a trufac that Borsetshire has it's own microclimate - hence the recent humongous floods.

Can't remember if they've ever had a townie-incomer-children-worrying-sheep storyline though.

Paintedpinksapphires · 26/03/2015 23:09

OP I find it very, very difficult to believe that any adult wouldn't realise that sheep are likely to be pregnant in Spring. Why do you think there are lambs all over Easter cards?

Yes the parents are at fault but personally I think you bear some responsibility too.

In your situation I would have told the parents and the children it was unacceptable and told them to step away from the sheep in no uncertain terms. I'm fairly 'forceful' so I'm pretty sure they would have complied but if not I'd have left so that I wasn't further participating in this kind of behaviour.

To be absolutely honest I'd have quite happily told the kids off even if they were strangers kids.

Your repeated suggestion if signs is ridiculous. You are guests on their land.

Ps ignorance of a crime isn't a defence.

Pipbin · 26/03/2015 23:10

Very true Echt. The children now think it's fine to lie to cover your arse and then get shouty at someone.

Salmotrutta · 26/03/2015 23:11

Yes echt.

That got a bit buried but I did say up thread that I suspect their parents have lost a lot of respect now - parents are supposed to protect and guide.

Not hide behind their kids...

msgrinch · 26/03/2015 23:14

op. would you, your sil or other members of this clever bunch chase a cat/dog down the pavement with a stick?

Salmotrutta · 26/03/2015 23:14

Pipbin - not quite. The kids have now learned their parents are cowardly liars who will throw them to the wolves.

And will bluster and threaten to kick animals.

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