To think that the people queing yesterday to see Richard III's coffin are seriously weird?

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the whole thing is way weirder than just liking the royal family, one old guy nearly 80 said its the most important thing to happen in his lifetime

WTAF???

whats wrong with some people??

Richard had already taken the throne from his nephew, Edward V so there was no reason for him to kill him and his younger brother in the tower. Not so Henry Tudor, if the princes were alive then his own position as king was weakened as he wasn't the true successor to the throne.

No one ever saw the princes again and no one knows what actually happened to them.

So we know whose bodies they'll come up with next. That'll be interesting!

I thought the documentary was really interesting and would loved to have gone to watch if the coffin had been glass like The Countess suggested, but then I'm a bit weird like that

I think proper nutters are those people who go and wait outside courts to bang on prison vans, when they have absolutely no connection with the prisoner
Even if it's someone who's committed a truly awful crime, I just don't get why someone would think of waiting around to bang and shout at a van.

There i was thinking the Eygptian pharaoh's were all nuts with the sibling rivalry and murder, incest etc. Turns out the English royals were just as batshit.

Nutters also include, those who when the police appeal for information about a crime etc ring in to the police to confess to a crime they haven't committed, or know bugger all about, just because....

Some people are into Harry Potter, some football, others tennis, baking, films, reading and a who host of other interests.

This RIIII reburriel is interesting to those who are into science and history.

Bones believed to be those of the princes were dug up in the tower and are now in Westminster Abbey. I've just read (sorry can't do link) that DNA testing on the bones was refused by lots of different agencies, mainly because it could start a plethora of requests to test all the other bones of old monarchs to see if they are real and not some old peasant.

I would wager that the majority shuffling past the coffin have no interest in history; they just want to be part of Something. And there's nowt wrong with that.

I am very amused by peoples lack of knowledge of history. White roses symbolise York. Not Tudor. The Tudors were Lancastrians and their symbol the red rose. When Henry the VII married Elizabeth of York, the roses were mixed to create the 'Tudor rose' symbolising a united country through their marriage. Richard the III was not a Tudor.

I live not far away now and waiting for all this attention to die down then pop over to see him myself as im interested in history. Went to look at the church before he came. From a history point of view i can see why people are interested. There are special richard 3rd societies in usa. (Documentary i watched said so!) If course they want to visit. Its no different to visiting another country to see elvis graceland etc. i know people who visit a country to see trains, cars, royal wedding, the beach. Something someones interested in and this is part of history. What richard 3rd did in real life to two princes is also a story a lot of people have heard. Tbh id rather queue for richard 3rd than one d. X

I daresay OP that you have interests that would make others think ...... If I lived nearby I would go along to the Cathedral - because finding him was an extraordinary event, and I find it poignant that he's getting a proper send-off after the makeshift rushed burial in 1485. Esp as his dead body was ridiculed and abused on the way to Greyfriars.

Not my idea of a good day out but I get some people like that sort of thing.

I find it really interesting. after reading 'The Sonne in Splendour' I am more of a Duke-of-Bukingham-did-it person.

He had more to gain for the boys deaths (whereas Richard would find it hard to explain and had always been deeply loyal to the boys father) and it was The Duke's men guarding the boys.

I have often thought it was Margaret Beaufort in aid of Henry Tudor and that he possibly found out after the fact if at all. He reinstated their legitimacy did he not for benefit of his wife to solidify his positron so it was to his benefit to have the brothers dead.

Urge. Position . Blasted autocorrect

And urgh. Not urge. I hate posting with my phone.

David Starkey thinks that Henry Tudor's people had more to gain by the death of the princes, as Richard had already got power and had them declared illegitimate.

But I don't doubt Richard's lot would have seen them as a risk too. The little princes story always makes me so sad - ruthless times.

I find the whole subject fascinating, and probably would visit his grave (I like doing stuff like that) and I loved the "King in Car Park" thing on C4 - just for the pure madness of Phillippa Langley who went against all normal 'rules' in archeology with her "I've got a feeling he's here - let's dig up this car park!' and bloody well finding him

You have to remember that history is written by the victors, and Henry Tudor set out to have Richard's name thoroughly blackened. Nobody knows what happened to the princes in the tower, so despite David Starkey's opinion (and he's an inveterate Richard hater as well as a nasty little man), nothing can be said about that conclusively. the 'eyewitness' account of Richard's reign was written by Thomas More, who was 5 when Richard was killed. Yeah, how many five year olds know exactly the ins and outs of political life so accurately they can remember it all clearly many decades later?

I would love to have been in Leicester this week to see this first hand. Actually, I have probably seen more on the TV coverage, but it is a real pity they couldn't have had presenters who knew a little bit about the history, instead of just reeling in anyone - Jon Snow was well out of his depth and could Krisnan Guru Murphy asked any more stupid questions?

personally I think it to be a dreadful waste of money

I would have loved to go and take my dcs but don't live close enough.

It's history and fascinating for some people. Nobody's being forced to queue up and see the coffin, each to their own, I say.

I thought the Channel 4 presenters were lacking something.

(James Naughtie should do everything imo.)