To worry about the Tory plans after this budget

[bobbywash]

and I accept the election may derail all of this but.....

The chancellor has said an additional 30bn worth of cuts needs to be made in the next parliament for their figures to work.

Now bearing in mind the ring fenced NHS budget and the (wavering) commitment to the education budget and pensions. Where the heck are an additional 30bn of cuts going to come from.

Is there anything left to cut

God armchair you really are vile. You don't even pretend that you give a shit about people with disabilities and there carers.
I suppose that your honesty about what kind of person you are is better than the posters who always claim "but we're not talking about disabled people".

irretating For the pursuit of truth. It would show the JRF's research was faulty.
Ah, irretating, the knight (damsel?) of truth. :D
No, thanks. I grew out of this sort of thing long ago. Just stop a sec and consider all the research going on in the world, not even scientific, just in the field of social sciences... then consider how much of this research contradicts other research in the same field...are you now saying that it is my obligation to put it all right? :D

• not even in the field of natural sciences.

IonaNE: "In certain areas of the country there are large estates of council houses with people who not only never had a job but their parents and grandparents never (!) had them either. Able-bodied and able-minded people who won't apply for a job in McDo because you'd have to get up every morning for that; and who have no education, not because it was not provided to them but because by age 13 they decided they would live on benefits all their life."

Fair play, you didn't actually say millions - but you clearly think your anecdata means there are many thousands, probably many tens of thousands of people (inexplicably not found by professional researchers, odd that) just like this, because that's how many there would have to be to make a national cuts programme worthwhile when you consider the admin involved. Admin costs, after all, were cited as the reason Bernie fecking Ecclestone is still entitled to a winter fuel payment (which offends me far more than someone ekeing out a living on JSA).

Oswin, you missed out the "genuine" bit

Armchair, could you answer my question to little. Does your husband wash your hair, shave your legs, sort out six tonne of medication for you? Push you around in a wheelchair as the nhs will not provide an electric one to someone whos shoulder dislocates?

(...when they self propel their manual wheelchair)

I grew out of this sort of thing long ago

What, like facts and shit? How odd.

I don't get the gripe about carers allowance, it's not lower if the person is related to you.

Dawn - caring for one's children and husband is what we do , no? You get carer's allowance which I believe is absolutely right but it isnt a job so can't be linked to minimum wage. I'm not sure where the idea came from that the state ( i.e teh taxpayer) should be repsonsible rather than the family?

Well, let me think? How much would it cost to put two children and my dh into care? I work hard, I save the country an absolute fortune but because I'm related to them, I get fuck all. As has been pointed out, were I a care worker I would at least be in receipt of minumum wage, I could perhaps work fewer hours, or get overtime for the extra hours, I would be entitled to time off and holiday pay. But no, because my dh became ill and my children have disabilities I'm expected to hold down a job, so that I can pay for the care they need, oh, and care for them. You two want your pound of flesh, don't you!

Armchair, jesus. Have a read of the comment you directed at a woman caring alone for three disabled people for less than the price of a newspaper per hour.

You seriously don't feel even a twinge of shame?

Armchair - I am gobsmacked by the callousness of your last post. You can't seriously equate the work - the FULLTIME JOB - that people like dawndonna do with, y'know, making a cup of tea for hubby and ensuring the kiddiewinks have clean pants. Fuck me, I work hard for my family's wellbeing but I don't kid myself I'm the same as a carer.

Actually, it's way more than a fulltime job. It's a 24/7/365 job. Every fucking day. For a few pence an hour. It's shameful. You're shameful.

Electra

Caseworkers who look after strangers and have an employer are completely different to those who look after family members. To a caseworker its a job that they choose that comes with a salary, holidays and sick pay.

Of course caring for family members is different. If you don't work you don't get sick pay or holiday pay as there is no salary in the first instance.

No party will ever pay carers of family members a salary as we should never equate to looking after our own children or spouses as a job as it's not. It's something you do as per marriage vows and children are a choice.

DLA, carers, tax credits and child benefit mean many end up far better off than employed care workers anyway usually.

The country is basically just fucked when those who can afford cuts are barely touched by them and those who really, really can't afford them bear the brunt. That's the nub of it and I don understand how anyone wouldn't perceive that to be wrong. Why do MPs have such high salaries, why can they claim their lunches back on expenses? I can't claim for my sandwiches.

It's like an emperor's new clothes situation. If a bloody extraterrestrial came down, it would look around and say 'who the fuck thought this up?'

As wise old Leonard Cohen once sang: ' Everybody knows the fight is fixed, the poor stay poor, the rich get rich.'

Fuck me.

Oh and its PIP. Educate yourself.

Children are a choice, but no-one chooses to have a disabled child do they? Or for their partner to become disabled?

I can't understand why anyone, with an ounce of decency would begrudge a carer a higher standard of living than they have now.

I'm confounded by taking tax off of savings?! People who have nothing, and can only work paycheck to paycheck are taxed on their labour, their productivity. Meanwhile, someone with wealth in the bank is not taxed on their unearned income!

George has managed to flip usury from being a mortal sin into being some sort moral badge of honour to be subsidised.

Really odd.

Yanbu. The only positivity I feel at all is I live in Scotland and I strongly suspect we will have a SNP devolved Government here. Unfortunately welfare is not devolved and as a Psychiatric Nurse I've seen what cuts are doing to vulnerable people.

Littlemonstersrule, as upthread - please point to evidence of these well-off familial carers.

And even if you find any, the fact that even full-time wages for being a carer are piss-poor is no proof that we look after our familial carers well!

Again, have you any idea how utterly smug and insensitive you sound? If you were FT carer for a husband and 2 disabled dcs on under 50p an hour and castigated for being a scrounger, would you feel that was fair?

These threads are a proper eye-opener, aren't they?

It's like some sort of empathy deficiency, or something. Evolution in reverse. We can only hope the next thing to go will be the opposable thumbs and tool-bearing hands, so they won't be able to type this shite.

I'm confounded by taking tax off of savings?! People who have nothing, and can only work paycheck to paycheck are taxed on their labour, their productivity. Meanwhile, someone with wealth in the bank is not taxed on their unearned income!

Because savings have already been taxed once when earned.

I think I'd worry more about Labour's plans for bankrupting the country if they get in. There weren't any cuts in the budget from what I could see today. But I haven't had time for a good look at it.

Armchair you sound nasty and illinformed about others lives, and the reality of caring for someone - the usual Tory attitude of "I'm alright Jack stuff you". Appalling. Some day it could be you.