To worry about the Tory plans after this budget

[bobbywash]

and I accept the election may derail all of this but.....

The chancellor has said an additional 30bn worth of cuts needs to be made in the next parliament for their figures to work.

Now bearing in mind the ring fenced NHS budget and the (wavering) commitment to the education budget and pensions. Where the heck are an additional 30bn of cuts going to come from.

Is there anything left to cut

It was an easy soundbite, but it won't hold my breath to see what will actually happen. So much easier to take £££ from carers etc, never mind the long-term false economy of that.

Are they cutting carer's allownace? Can you link to that? Thanks.

Osborne has said before that he would tighten up tax evasion and hasn't done it. This isn't just about money, the Tories want to change the culture of helping the less well off.

What, by raising the tax threshold and minimum wage?

Clearly the CoftheE is not going to detail, in the run-up to an election, exactly where savings will be made, so I cannot oblige there Ed. Taking the speech as a whole, though, there were plenty of allusions to carers disguised as 'support'. Weasel words. I hope you never need to be cared for, and if you do, that you can fund it yourself ?

The tax threshold and minimum wage don't help carers or the people they care for who are struggling to cope because essential services they rely on have been cut.

There are examples of this posted further up the thread if you want to go back and have a read.

It is well nigh on impossible to make companies such as Google, Apple, etc., pay what we deem appropriate levels of taxation, it could only be achieved if every single country in the world agreed, signed up to and implemented far reaching tax reforms, and the likelihood of that happening is somewhere between zero and nil.

Osborne introduced the 2013 Finance Bill.

A bit of cut and paste:

Legislation to block specific tax loopholes is often a cat-and-mouse game.
As each loophole is closed, another one opens. There has long been
discussion of a more general law, and some countries have enacted such
laws. The UK is now following suit, with the Finance Bill 2013’s introduction
of a General Anti-Abuse Rule, or ‘GAAR’.
The majority of taxpayers want to see aggressive tax avoidance defeated,
because the more it succeeds, the greater the tax burden on those who do not
engage in it and merely use authentic tax planning approaches, often
promoted by the Government itself, to manage their tax liabilities. Indeed, a
certain amount of tax planning is often imperative in business to avoid the
same profit being taxed twice or a proper business expense not being allowed.
So taxpayers want a GAAR that will prevent tax abuse without the collateral
damage that would ensue if reasonable tax planning became impossible, or if
its success became so uncertain that businesses and investors were
discouraged from engaging in genuine commercial transactions.

albert you made a direct statement that carer's money would be cut but are completely unable to back that up. I have watched the budget at least twice and can see no allusion whatsoever.

And yet you cann teh Chancellor's words, weasel words!

Ed.....what he says and what he will do if they get back in are completely unrelated.
The Tories want the end of the welfare state.
One of their own MPs called the NHS a "60 year mistake"

And of course we can only go and what has happened upt this budget, which has seen all benefits - except those for pensioners - slashed.
Libraries are being closed, their free schools idea has been a disaster, their privately run hospital has failed, they are selling off the NHS to the highest bidder (if they happen to be on old school chum all the better!)

So if you get the minimum wage for a 42 hour week you will still be paying tax even with the raised threshold.
I would like to see something done about all these private landlords who are being subsidised by my income tax payments - I'd rather be helping the people at the bottom of the pile.

The Tories want the end of the welfare state.

Proof, please.

Proof?
Every single thing they have ever done whilst in power.

As opposed to simply streamline an over inflated, bloated and abused welfare state.

Funny how we all view things differently.

Which, of course, we are all entitled to do.

A budget has to address the needs of everyone, not just those at the very bottom. There are far more people working long hours in full time work than there are on benefits - or so we are repeatedely told by the left on here. In which case, why shoudn't they catch a break?

^^ This.

It is infuriating how so many people on MN seem to think that the only people who matter are the poor, as if anyone who earns above NMW isn't worthy of consideration from their government and their contributions mean nothing.

Are they cutting carer's allownace? Can you link to that? Thanks.
Not that I'm aware of. Are they raising it? No.

What, by raising the tax threshold and minimum wage?
Not by a lot though, is it. Are they increasing any benefits?

The Tories want the end of the welfare state.

Proof, please.
Even the institute for fiscal studies is asking where the 10 million unaccounted for cut is going to come from. That looks like the end of the welfare state to the rest of the world.

It's funny how people use left wing papers to prove their point and trash everyone's else's sources....

Are they cutting carer's allownace? Can you link to that? Thanks.
Not that I'm aware of. Are they raising it? No.

That wasn't the point. It was stated as fact up thread that the Tories are cutting carer's allowance. Which they aren't.

It's funny how people use left wing papers to prove their point and trash everyone's else's sources....

Yup. The Guardian's The Grail and teh Mail, The Fail.

That wasn't the point. It was stated as fact up thread that the Tories are cutting carer's allowance. Which they aren't.
No, just everything else they used to get to make their lives a touch easier.

Except they're not. Under the Tories the group that has borne the greatest burden is the wealthy.
JRF and UEA say differently. In fact all independent studies clearly demostrate that the biggest impact of the cuts has been on the poor.

That's not what I said Dawn. Of course the poor will bear the brunt of the cuts as they are the major users.

The top 10% of earners have borne the financial brunt.

To be fair, I didnt make that at all clear!! Sorry.