To worry about the Tory plans after this budget

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and I accept the election may derail all of this but.....

The chancellor has said an additional 30bn worth of cuts needs to be made in the next parliament for their figures to work.

Now bearing in mind the ring fenced NHS budget and the (wavering) commitment to the education budget and pensions. Where the heck are an additional 30bn of cuts going to come from.

Is there anything left to cut

Gosh no 2old certainly not you.

Sorry, I've just had a gutful of stupidity this week and reading some of what was up thread was too much. I think id better stay off the internet til after June.

where they are deserved.

Winterbourne view is the same problem, it treated adults with learning difficulties in a violent and abhorrent manner. That is being looked after by professionals.

I thought the budget delivered very well to those on lower incomes. Lifting the tax threshold to £11k is significant.

Th economy is growing, unemployment is down( way down) and things are looking up for most. Yes - still along way to go but we are on the right track and I think another term will see even greater things.
Without a strong economy ther ecan be no welfare , no NHS , no education so it is vital that is sorted first.

Yeah, Edsgreypatch that'll be in a couple of years. In the meantime we'll cut 12bn in welfare benefits whilst investing 3.1bn in sorting out tax avoidance. Slight difference in priorities there. Oh, and we won't mention the NHS in the budget at all so that nobody notices we're selling it off bit by bit via the back door.
How do you think people on minimum wage and zero hour contracts are going to afford those isas he's offering help with?

If he hadn't said he'd attack tax avoidance people would be baying for blood. He really can't win, can he?

People on minimum wage will be better off with the rise in tax threshold and increase in hourly rate. Plus they will still be getting state support on top as now.

Not sure your ISA comment makes any sense at all. I can't afford a new Porsche. Is that George's fault?

He hasn't mentioned the NHS as this is a budget not a manifesto.

A budget has to address the needs of everyone, not just those at the very bottom. There are far more people working long hours in full time work than there are on benefits - or so we are repeatedely told by the left on here. In which case, why shoudn't they catch a break?

What scares me is that we haven't even got a Tory Govt at the moment, it's a coalition Government. If they are elected outright I thibk I will cry, unfeeling bastards all of them...and I include on or two posters in this thread in that assessment. Your comments about Carers show how out of touch you really are.

Yes the economy is growing, yes unemployment is down, the thing is the Budget said that even with all the planned cuts to legal services, local authority funding, etc there is an extra 30bn worth of cuts to come.

I would happily pay 2p per pound extra Tax if it meant that some people got a decent standard of care from the NHS, or better education standards (and don't even mention how much this government have F**d about with exams) then the cuts to the other budgets to ring fence NHS and education shouldn't be made.

Oh and yes I am a higer rate taxpayer and before anyone shouts about champagne socialist, I have never voted labour in my life. Funnily enough I do believe in a concept of a society where those that need a hand are helped, and those that don't aren't. That's not to say every feckless benefit scrounger that you read about in the DM is representative of a class, or desn't irritate the hell out of me to read about them.

However, reading about the couple sleeping in their car because they are not enough of a priority to be rehoused, he having lost their job when she continues to work tells me how far from an acceptable standard we have fallen and continue to fall under this lot. An ADDITIONAL 30bn worth of cuts will not improve the situation.

Okay Eds I'll give the Tories credit for finding someone reasonable articulate for their social media team. I do wish they'd give others credit for working it out! That aside, what you've said about the NHS is nonsense, it's a budget, ergo the NHS should be included, or don't they, as a department have a budget any longer?

As for the budget addressing the needs of everyone, it hasn't has it?

It's also interesting to not that by 2018 spending on day-to-day public services as a share of GDP will be at its lowest since 1938.

reasonably
that'll teach me!

Okay Eds I'll give the Tories credit for finding someone reasonable articulate for their social media team.

eye-roll.

Whose social media team are you on, Dawn?

I've been here years, goodbye and you can eyeroll as much as you like but all parties do it. It's common practice, all parties ask members to volunteer to be part of their social media teams and assist them with policy promotion. They use them all most social media sites, this includes mumsnet.

on most social media sites. Apologies, dh had a rough night, as did dd. Not had a great deal of sleep.

I've been here years, goodbye and you can eyeroll as much as you like but all parties do it. It's common practice, all parties ask members to volunteer to be part of their social media teams and assist them with policy promotion.

It would be such a coup they could recruit long-term members.

I think it would be helpful if somebody could spell out exactly how the Tories have given less money to carers and how Labour would have given more. I know a few people who are carers but not really well enough to ask this. And only one person who is carer for a younger person. (Rather than a very elderly person.) I know some care has been farmed out to charities like Help the Aged and so on but that was quite a while ago.

Yes - and hasn't the gap between rich and poor grown under Labour? To add to that the fact that under Labour the top earner spaid 21% of all income tax whilst under Tories they now pay 27%.

I was a Labour councillor many, many years ago Goodbye. I joined the green party this year. I am a socialist at heart and the greens are nearest to my beliefs now. The old Labour Party died with John Smith.

Viviennemary Neither party has bothered to any great extent with carers. They waffle a bit, but they do bugger all. However, under the tories there have been so many cuts that affect us in our daily lives. Respite care has either been cut to the bone or removed altogether, access to mental health crisis services has become almost impossibe, and crisis beds have been cut, along with units closed, or beds halved. The access to welfare benefits has been cut along with the right to appeal in some cases, which will eventually be denied to all. Food banks have tripled since 2010, many folk using them are carers or those with mental health problems who have been sanctioned because the esa assessment method is not fit for purpose.

Dawn i think you have your stats wrong re 1938 its 1964

twitter.com/Edsbrown/status/578324754794446848

I'm voting green as it has the policies I believe in. However, even though labour made massive mistakes.. It was a global recession! Unless labour are in charge of the globe at the time this whole labour caused it crap just gives the Tory's all the excuses they need. It was the Tory's that originally deregulated the banks.
Why do we pay our taxes if barely any services are t b provided!
If everything ius so desperate in terms of paying back the debt.. Why is he knocking a penny off the whisky tax and changing the band so that the richest pay less!

Where is he changng the band to make the rich pay less? Under Labour teh top rate of tax was 40% . It was only 50% for the last two months and done as a political stunt as they knew tories would lower it to 45%. Which is still higher than under 13 years of Labour.

Chilliplant

Labour didn't cause it but they did have did have a big hand in it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13032013

It would seem both dates have been quoted from the Office for Budget Responibility, Just.
However, it is somewhat worrying that both dates are from more than 50 years ago.

Well in real terms, the spending per person will be the same as 2000.

Thanks for replying Dawndonna. I did read a while back of centres where people with disabilities had a job making furniture and similar were closed. I heartily disapproved of that decision. I think support networks for people with disabilities and their families shouldn't be cut.