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To not understand why the tidy person is always 'right'

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SEmyarse · 01/03/2015 15:35

I'm a scruff. Maybe that's a bad thing, I don't know, but that's how it is.
Dh likes things neat and tidy, and that's fine too. He's the majority stay at home parent so mostly things go his way.

I find it very very difficult to give a stuff what the house looks like, but I really do try not to impact others. So I never leave washing up long enough that it will impact someone else being able to use the kitchen for instance, but I may well leave pots for a couple of hours and do them late in the evening or even early the next morning. If he wants my stuff out of the way he only has to say and I will drop everything and get it sorted, but its not usually my way to be right onto it. Mostly dh will sneak into the kitchen and do it himself which makes me feel guilty if its only my mess, but equally I don't like being dictated to that it must be done right then if there's no need.

I like to have stuff around. Dh gets very cross with this and is permanently tidying my stuff. He got very arsey last night that i had left a book I was reading, and some newly opened post on the dining table. So he tidied my book (and lost the page). I was hunting all over for it, and when I found it in the bookcase I was bloody annoyed, I'd only put it down for half an hour. So I had a bit of a moan at him, and he got all 'the dining table is for dining, the bookcase is for books'. I really don't like being dictated to as to how I should use our joint furniture. If I want to use a surface to put stuff on, then I will.

Well, it turned into a bit of a minor row. He thinks no-one should complain since he does all this tidying, but it's unnecessary and not even always wanted. I like to have a bit of stuff around. I'm not talking piles of rubbish, but I do like a few books around, a jumper, some work bits etc, it feels much nicer. i also like the kids to be able to have things around, but they can't bring toys out of their (very small) bedrooms before he starts dropping hints that its time to tidy away. And if they leave drawings etc around he immediately bins them. Sometimes they have been given to me as a gift and I've put them down ready to display and before I've got chance they've been binned.

His argument is that we should compromise, but I already am! When living on my own my house was miles messier than this. He also says that tidy is a good thing. I understand this concept, but I don't think it has to be absolute. As long as things are reasonably clean then I don't think 'super tidy' is any better than 'reasonably tidy' and is just an extra waste of effort, and makes the home feel completely non-homely to me.

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SEmyarse · 01/03/2015 18:02

I'm much more comfortable and relaxed in an untidy house. I definitely feel stressed if it's REALLY tidy, but I can live with fairly tidy.

I'm also MUCH more likely to forget stuff when its tidy. When I lived alone in my pigsty (nearly) I never ever forgot stuff. I ALWAYS pay my tax as soon as its due, always get school letters back immediately. I just seem to know what needs doing. Something about writing lists and putting things in boxes seems to make my brain think its been dealt with and then it gets forgotten. Dh keeps trying to take control of administrative stuff in his ordered way and then bloody forgetting things!

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SEmyarse · 01/03/2015 18:03

It's not just the being nagged to be tidy that is stressful for me, it's the general environment. If everything's too clean and clear I feel like I'm in a doctors waiting room or something.

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CupidStuntSurvivor · 01/03/2015 18:04

We get on well now Toffee but her obsessive tidiness really did cause issues between us and normal teenage behaviour (and a relatively tidy and diligent teen at that), she was just unable to cope with in a normal, rational way. There was likely something else happening in her life at the time, but still, not a great thing to do to your child.

hettie · 01/03/2015 18:04

I'm very messy, it doesn't bother me... But it does bother dh. It does create tension tbh, I just don't see the house in the same way dh does and if I make a mess it annoys him. He tries not to have a go but inevitably does. I try (but am probably hopeless tbh). In our house neither of us is 'right' but I do feel that the tidier person has the moral higher ground..

Sagethyme · 01/03/2015 18:06

I am messy scruff bag, drives dh mad....then again since he doesnt do much house work i figure he can't moan! He has more time to sort his crap belongings as he never cooks, does laundry, do the shopping etc! So bottom line we live in abit of a shit pit, but bathroom and kitchen are always clean, rest of house nah, its a just a biohazard!

tumbletumble · 01/03/2015 18:22

It took us a while to get there, but in our house the untidy person (me) is right Grin

Lucyccfc · 01/03/2015 18:38

YABU, You would drive me mad.

Just wash the pots and tidy up after yourself - it's not that difficult. I don't get stressed if things are not perfect and I also don't suffer from OCD, but I like a nice, clean, tidy house. It's about personal pride in your home.

Leaving your pots until the next morning to wash - yuck! It's easier to just do them after a meal and not when there is dried up food on them.

So many women on here moan about the husbands/partners and their lack of cleanliness and neatness round the house. Think yourself lucky your DH actually cares and doesn't want to live like a slob in a pig-sty.

my2centsis · 01/03/2015 18:38

Maybe if you cleaned up your own shit he wouldn't get sick of doing it and go overboard!

Tiswineoclocksomewhere · 01/03/2015 18:43

I'm with you - my husband is a womble and often 'tidies' away things that I'm still using, especially when I'm cooking and packaging with instructions disappear or utensils I still want end up washed and back in the bloody drawer every time I put them down Angry

To be fair I am a slob so usually his womble tendencies are gratefully received and he's never mad at me for leaving a trail of destruction in my wake. Unfortunately two of our kids have my inability to notice clutter so often look like they've disappeared leaving just their clothing behind. He's just resigned himself to collecting things as he goes, and the one child who inherited the womble gene does the same too.

Works for us but if it made one of us properly cross (as opposed to "where the bloody hell did my spoon go?") then obviously it'd be an issue Grin

treasureisland · 01/03/2015 18:45

My DH thinks like you.

Except the things that he wants to tidy later and then never does are things like hammers, saws, large pointy screws etc.

I have caught my (then) 2 year old wandering around with a lump hammer as a result.

He cba to put anything away and it has nothing to do with 'wanting to come back to it later' and everything to do with idleness. He left some important documents on an armchair 6 weeks ago and now he's pissed off that he can't find them now he needs 6 WEEKS after putting them down.

So, to me, it depends if you genuinely would tidy it up or if, in fact, you have form for leaving a trail of destruction behind you with no thought for how anybody else would like to use the joint furniture.

Iggly · 01/03/2015 18:50

Yanbu

It is the fact he wants it to be in a constant state of perfection which would piss me off.

You cannot be 100% tidy all the time. E.g. filing away stuff that needs doing (such as bills).

I admit I am messy. DH is tidy. However I think I win in this house - which actually isn't fair on DH. I try and compromise by being tidier but I work in a full on job (4 days a week plus evenings) so don't have the energy. I just about keep on top of the basics (washing, sorting kids etc)!

Mrsstarlord · 01/03/2015 18:57

YANBU

Sometimes always it's nice to relax after a meal rather than get up and clean boring and anal
Obviously it's nicer to get up to a clean kitchen but it's not the end of the world.
I love a bit of clutter, books piled up, kids toys left out etc --although I draw the line at DVDs left lying around. Couldn't relax in a house with everything squirrelled away, would feel on edge.

MrsWickens · 01/03/2015 18:58

Too tidy makes me stressed anxious and uncomfortable. It's like living in a show home and makes me feel like I'm an imposter in my own home. That could be my depression and anxiety but I really cannot relax in a tidy house. I need a little bit of mess to help me feel comfortable. My boyfriend hates mess so it's a constant battle between us.

AuditAngel · 01/03/2015 19:01

I can see both sides of this. I am untidy. DH wants things immaculate, but HE doesn't want to tidy up. Apparently it is MY job to tidy the house (yeah right)

He will regularly throw the kids stuff away if if is left out, and mine too, which would be fine if he applied the same to his own belongings. He moans if I leave more than my handbag around.

In the past he threw away a bag containing a brand new coat for DD2 plus a load of Christmas presents. All he could say was I shouldn't have left it there.

After his gym bag had sat in the hall for about 9 months, I stood in the garage doorway and tossed it (a method I know has been applied to my things). About 3 months later we cleared out the garage and he expressed surprise that it was there. It sat back in the hall for another 3 months until I put it in his wardrobe.

QTPie · 01/03/2015 19:16

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JugglingLife · 01/03/2015 19:18

OP, can you compromise? DH and I are worlds apart, he and the kids would consider me to be OCD am fucking not, so, in the interests of peace, he has raised his standards and I have lowered mine. After 15 years of marriage he has finally learnt that if he is last out of bed, he has to fucking make it. I have learnt that I have to turn a blind eye at the weekends and will catch up on a Monday even though I work. I have learnt that he is a massively untidy cook, incapable of cleaning up as he goes along, so I ignore it, am grateful that he cooks and then clean it up in the morning. It's hard, it can be infuriating, but would I want it to be the defining part of our relationship? Absolutely not. however putting your book back on the bookshelf is really mega OCD. Find the compromise love, I'm sure it's there.

Titsalinabumsquash · 01/03/2015 19:21

Juggling, I read that as you saying your DH had a massively untidy cock! Grin

My DP is a messy person, I cannot relax when things are out and everywhere, it is about both meeting half way, me lowering standards, him trying to 'see' mess and tidy it a bit more often rather than waiting for me to ask.

Alibabsandthe40Musketeers · 01/03/2015 19:23

Cupid that is awful :(

In our house I am the tidier of the two of us. DH does annoy me because by the end of the day there will be three pairs of his shoes lying around, a jumper, some post in random locations, cups left where he has been sitting plus whatever other detritus of his day.

I wouldn't mind the jumper and a book, to me that is just living - it is how I am myself. But I do object to tripping over pairs of size 11s everywhere I go and there being no surfaces in the kitchen to prepare a meal because he's opened post on all of them. I should add that we have a 'dumping ground', a section of worktop in the kitchen where the post, the children's bookbags, phones and other random bits are perfectly at liberty to rest until they make it to their proper homes :)

OP I do think your DH is being overly controlling, and certainly in relation to the children his behaviour is quite concerning and I would be very angry indeed about that.

JugglingLife · 01/03/2015 19:23

Titsa, I have no complaints about his cock SmileSmileSmileSmileSmile

JugglingLife · 01/03/2015 19:58

We are not ending this thread on my hubby's cock. Onwards ladies......

Momagain1 · 01/03/2015 20:04

I really don't want to have to scoop everything in a box because I've gone out of the room for 20 mins.

Right. Can he compromise on a few locations that are yours? While you compromise on an end of the day rule?

Childrens toy compromise would be how things might be done at nursery. Categories of toys in a bin that have to be tidied and swapped for a new category: the legos and building blocks vs. the art supplies, vs. dress up clothes and toy dishes. Also: everything is tidied before lunch, before tea, before we leave the house or other such things.

Does he ever PLAY WITH THEM? That's something mum's didnt do as much of, back when housekeeping was way harder than tidying, but my mother's generation is surprised my daughter's generation does so much of it now that so much housework is using this machine or that.

hiccupgirl · 01/03/2015 21:01

YANBU

My DH can be a bit like this with scooping things up when I've left them out but after many years together with have reached a level of compromise. He now makes sure he leaves my things in a neat pile where I have left them or tells me where he has moved them to.

I think it's a reasonable question to ask why the tidier person gets to call all the shots in a house. Just because the there partner is less tidy or organises things differently, doesn't mean one way is superior to the other. And I would hate to live in a house where I couldn't put anything down.

FitzgeraldProtagonist · 01/03/2015 21:04

Messy people don't mind living in tidy house, tidy people combust at the idea of living in a mess. Therefore - tidy wins

treasureisland · 01/03/2015 21:06

My mum gets cross with me tidying my house when she comes to visit Grin

She is hugely affronted that I move her and my Dad's shoes from the living room carpet into the shoe cupboard (shoes go in their shoe cupboard when they're at home - it's just my carpets they want to leave them all over).

Ditto she gets annoyed that if she spreads a newspaper all over the sofa I will move it so I can sit down.

I can't imagine going into their house, throwing my shoes on the floor and chucking papers everywhere but if I did I wouldn't be pissed off if she tidied up.

Titsalinabumsquash · 01/03/2015 21:10

I do neat piles rather than actual tiding away stuff the second it's put down, can you agree both to that? A folded jumper and a closed (with a bookmark) book is nicer to look at than a jumper doing somewhere are and an open book left on the side (imo anyway)

Or can you both agree to spend x minutes before bed putting little left out bits and pieces away so you're he's waking up to a tidy house?