to ask if you think dangerous satanic cults exist?

[cakedup]

Someone I know had been posting a few articles on FB lately re conspiracy theories. Found it a bid odd. Nice, intelligent, healthy living, talented lady in her 50s. Then recently, she posted this

MNHQ has removed a link because it contained highly identifying information about young children and their families

"A lot to take in....however, the biggest story of our generation is unfolding in the UK to near complete silence in the international corporate media."

It was a bit chilling as all the areas cited are very near where I live.

I'm shocked that so many people believe all this stuff. It's not as if it's just one paranoid teenager smoking weed and getting paranoid. But lots of functional adults, many with kids. What's behind it all?

AIBU to ask if anyone here thinks there is any truth at all behind these stories?

I've just read as much as I can of your link OP before I could take no more. It is written so poorly as to make me wonder about the mental capacity of the author. As for all the names - that's going to get someone in a whole world of shit before too long and rightly so. If you're friends with someone who thinks all that is ok then you need to start questioning that friendship and possibly get your friend the help she so badly needs. When anyone starts alleging that child sacrifice takes place upstairs in a fast food restaurant on a Wednesday evening it's time to call in the professionals - and I don't mean Doyle and Bodie.
Get this thread pulled is my advice.

This sounds insane. I haven't read all of it - has she gone to the police, if so what have they done, if not, then why not?
With the level of violence against children she describes, parents would have realised something was happening and gone to the police.
I don't find it hard to believe in the existence of satanic cults or something similar to that though. It's a well known fact that children's body parts are used in rituals in Africa for instance, and that has happened in this country also. Albino children are targeted in Africa and need protection due to the risk of being murdered. And no doubt some child abusers will use this kind of scenario to try to justify to themselves what they are doing to children, or to get an extra kick out of it.
But I'd want to see very strong evidence that it was happening.

Hi all,
We know that this is a hot subject under discussion at the moment on social media, so we do understand why this has come up, however we have banned a couple of posters already for persistently only posting about one school so we would ask you to bear that in mind when posting. General discussion, such as is happening here, is absolutely fine, but we would ask you to refrain from posting highly identifying links such as the one we just removed from the OP, as that just doesn't really seem fair on the victims if it's true and is most unfair on the accused if it isn't.

Lots of cults (even major religions) require adherents to sign up to daft ideas as an indication of commitment and faith. It's standard.

I don't find it beyond the bounds of possibility some psycho could control and manipulate a group of people with satanic cult stuff, just as they often use apocalytic stuff (David Koresh for example). I just think it is likely to be the means not the end.

But I am always sceptical of explanations that end up being The One Overarching Theory of Everything-everything is connected, nothing is random, nothing is what it seems, there is a whole hidden world out there that we few know and the 'sheeples' don't, a secret conspiracy controls the world.

There is a lot we don't know, but anyone clever enough to control the world would do it openly. Why hide when you're in control?

Oh and-pet hate 'Africa' generalisation: not all Africans and parts of Africa feature child sacrifice and albino murders. It has been an issue in Uganda and Tanzania particularly as far as I know, but not everywhere. No need to target all of us as child slaughterers.

Farfromanyroad you are being ridiculous, suggesting everyone who has so much as mentioned this needs help. I think it's you that does.

I am open minded, continuing this theme I believe what happened at dolphin court and elm lodge (under investigation by operation midland) is to do with ritualistic satanic practices, I hate David Icke but have read a lot of stuff on his blog that turned out to be true, where people have been sent to prison for things he claims to be true years before they are revealed.

So I try to keep an open mind now and not judge when I hear things like this, I mean Rolf Harris? Whod have thunk it?

I haven't read the link, I though this was just about conspiracy theories and cults in general, don't want to read the link as stuff like that stays with me for months, sounds terrible.

It's like the insane ramblings of a mentally ill person.

But it always is, isn't it? I don't think I've come across anything of similar content written in a coherent, academic and professional matter.

Fair point YetAnotherHelenMumsnet, thanks for removing the link, that was thoughtless of me.

FarFromAnyRoad if it had been, for example, a cousin of mine who flagged up the article on FB, I probably wouldn't have thought twice about it. He is a very paranoid, drug taking, insomniac. But this is a respectable, intelligent woman. I'm very surprised.

manner not matter

A secret kitchen in McDonalds? Riiiiight........
I read that and concluded it was utter batshit from someone who has a very overactive imagination.

I don't like to think about all this too much, but I do think that we would all be shocked at the levels of depravity human beings can go to.

Its easy to believe we know whats going on with everything, when we have so much media and internet access etc. But there are a lot of dark networks that most of us are lucky to never come across.

I haven't read the link as MNHQ have removed it. Glad of that tbh. I don't know much about satanic cults as the idea completely terrifies me.

Incoherent batshit ramblings of someone who feels slighted by a community of people in North London. IMO.

I think people could use this as an excuse for weird and evil practices but I don't think it's very widespread IMHO. And it's all in their minds being whipped up into a frenzy through drugs or whatever.

The link has gone. But I do think fact is often stranger than fiction and there is a lot truth to come about child abuse.

Organised child abuse involving the Establishmentis quite hard for normal, decent people to get their head around, but it has happened.
The report into Bryn Estyn, Wrexham was covered up, all the copies of the report were ordered to be destroyed because it was so shocking.
Two or three copies have been discovered and it is being reinvestigated.
Some of the abused have died in mysterious circumstances over the years, but no one has really cared about that because they are 'nobodies'.

Imagine in a court, a drug addicts' voice being believed more than a police chief.

There is evil in this world and there is organised sexual abuse by some of those in authority.

I don't know about the link the OP referred to but this makes an interesting read :(. I think it's ok to post?
theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/04/madlands-savile-article/

cakedup

I didn't say they didn't happen. However when you start to pick apart the landscape implied, if these cults really existed, there's far more connections than you would believe.

Many years ago, I read an analysis of the Orkney scandal. A scientist had shown that if the claims were true, it would require that more people than the entire population of the islands must have been involved.

It's a little like people who believe in the Loch Ness monster being a stranded dinosaur. If you start with basic biology, you quickly realise that to support a breeding population of the size required to keep sightings of Nessie as reported, you'd need about a million times more fish than can be found in the Loch.

LurkingHusband you and I may still be here, but there are many that aren't.

I'm thinking in particular of the Westminster child abuse scandal that has still yet to be brought into the open - and which Thatcher turned a blind eye to.
At least one child was killed in the act of abuse in that period.

I once worked with a young man who told me that he was often collected by a minibus, with a group of other people his age (teens at the time) and taken to Clyro Court, which is also known as Baskerville Hall, near Hay on Wye. This was in the eighties.

He said they were delivered there to 'party' with Tory MPs.
No doubt this is also being kept down by those involved on the procurement level.

The one in the link named a specific school and gave names and addresses of staff and pupils. It also alleged certain things that happened to children and were done by other children.

That to me is a grudge from someone mentally unstable and very dangerous to have those names in the public domain. Mnhq were wight to delete.

On the question. I'm not so sure about satanic cults but I do believe there are groups of people in various guises who do evil things. But then I don't believe people are inherently good

Organised child abuse is a fact.

In 1985 Jason Swift was killed after being abused by a group of men who (according to tabloids) called themselves 'The Dirty Dozen'. They included Sydney Cooke, who is serving life in prison. They apparently abducted, raped and tortured boys during the 1970s and 1980s, working out of a council flat in Hackney. They are suspected of having carried out other child murders, possibly quite a few.

If such a group of repellent nobodies could organise and commit these offences with impunity for years, then I have no difficulty in believing other groups of people from other social backgrounds and with professional or other connections, could also do it.

I just have difficulty believing that satanic rituals were their motivation.

I went along once to a meeting of Aleister Crowley fans, probably the closest thing you're going to find to Satanic cult in England these days. Much as expected they were a bunch of computer nerds, poloneck-and-sandal wearers and Dungeons & Dragons players

On the other hand, there have been numerous cases where a belief in witchcraft has been imported to the UK with migrants from the African continent, who torture children as part of their practices.

I don't buy the satanic cult line, but I do think there are some very strange and disturbing things that take place amongst groups of elite people.

It was the Dutroux case that swayed me and the statement made by the original judge -- there's a lot of very disturbing stories and allegations surrounding that case.

I think there always will be cults, gangs and subversive groups. As long as there are marginalized people who feel misunderstood and rejected in society, it only takes one charismatic individual to "save" them and manipulate them into following their agenda, whatever it may be.

If that charismatic individual happens a good person with a worthy cause, then great. But there are convincing bad guys too, like Koresh or Jim Jones. There's no telling what somebody like that will come up with.

Really cutteduppear? I go to a festival there every year. I had heard it was used for sex parties in the 1980s, but I had no idea they might be sinister IYSWIM.

I have read the stuff mentioned in the OP, but it was posted on FB by a woman with the most bizarre beliefs I have ever encountered

I agree that it's very worrying how much of David Ickes stuff has turned out to be correct

Dials can you tell me some? I don't know any of what he's said in the past...