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"MPs can't live on £60K a year" says Sir Malcolm Rifkind

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CFSKate · 23/02/2015 14:01

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/investigations/11429070/MPs-cant-live-on-60k-a-year-says-Sir-Malcolm-Rifkind.html

Is he being unreasonable?

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Politicalpanda · 24/02/2015 15:06

I entirely agree, MissM. I'm sorry if that doesn't come through in my comments.

fiverabbits · 24/02/2015 15:18

In 2004 my DH worked 60 hours in his first job then 2 night shifts, 10-9 in his second job, his total income £17000 before stopages. This was the highest amount he ever earned. Since then he has only been working part time or on the sick. I wasn't able to work as I was a carer for my disabled DS. We didn't have a family life but we didn't have a lot of choice if we wanted to pay the bills and eat. AT least the MP's get holidays. I only have had 2 weeks break in the 25 YEARS I have been caring for my son.

keepitsimple0 · 24/02/2015 15:31

MPs have incredible responsiblity and most of them work extremely hard.

it sounds like the work hard at reading and walking.

ghostland · 24/02/2015 15:45

Nobody is forcing him to be an MP. If he doesn't like the pay he can quit and join the real world and look for something which he thinks will pay more. This is why people have lost faith in politicians. They are all self-serving, greedy, out of touch feckers.

ArcheryAnnie · 24/02/2015 16:34

Well, he's now said he won't stand again. He will get a very good pension, and I'd put money on the chances of him being made a Peer, so he won't lose out on anything except having to do mounds of constituency work. And meantime a safe seat is freed up for an up and coming Tory hopeful. It will have worked out nicely all round.

mrsmootoo · 24/02/2015 16:51

Outrageous for Rifkind to have described himself as 'self-employed' and admit that he spent most of his time reading and going for walks. If it's such an important job (as other posts say) why wasn't he busy with constituency business? And what about the committee he chaired - how did he fit that in between his walks?

What's also ridiculous is that he and Straw seem to be correct in that they didn't break any actual rules!

Finally I would like to know who the MPs were who didn't fall for C4's scam (I think they asked 12 in all) - maybe we could have a 'name and praise' for a change!

Charlesroi · 24/02/2015 16:55

I would rather gouge my own eyes out with a rusty spoon than vote Tory, but I feel that Malcolm Rifkind will be a sad loss to Parliament. He was top quality as the chairman of the Intelligence committee but I guess it's no longer possible to disagree with the politics but appreciate the qualities of the person.
I feel he's a person of integrity and it is a sad day.

MissM · 24/02/2015 17:15

I also take exception to those all over the media who are saying that it's a good thing for MPs to have 'real-world' experience by working in business as that makes them better able to understand their constituents. This should read some constituents. If MPs had second jobs as GPs, teachers, nurses, social workers, factory workers or carers I'd say absolutely. But working for £5K a day (which is what Jack Straw quoted) for a blue-chip company hardly gives you a well-rounded understanding of what people are facing at the moment in relation to work, wages and cost of living.

Have to say I disagree Charlesroi with your description of Rifkind as having integrity. If he had integrity he wouldn't be offering his services in the way he's been caught doing!

educatingarti · 24/02/2015 18:34

Don't forget that £60K is the basic back-bencher MP pay. Those with cabinet/ministerial posts etc will be earning much more.

educatingarti · 24/02/2015 18:38

Eg at start of current goverment term:
Cabinet Minister: £101,038
Minister of State: £78,891
Parliamentary Under Secretary of State £68,710

JillyR2015 · 25/02/2015 07:14

Rifkind and Straw were both incredibly hard working nad dedicated MPs and this sting is just one of the mnay reasons anyone with brains and ability to earn well would want to be one.

Of course never say £65k is not much money, however. That will never go down well with the public, although mym daughters in their 20s earn more than that and it would not even have paid my schools fees bill when all the children were in school and no way would I want the low pay and job uncertainty and awful life of being an MP.

I would like us to have 100 not 600 MPs as a Cumbrian Tory MP has suggested. It would be much better and simpler.

ArcheryAnnie · 25/02/2015 08:19

What the hell do your 20-something daughters do, that earns them more than £65k pa, Jilly?

grovel · 25/02/2015 09:18

With 3 years post qual experience solicitors at Linklaters get £90,000+.

sanfairyanne · 25/02/2015 09:39

the whole system needs reforming

normal working hours for parliament with an expectation that you are present at work for those hours (constituency days timetabled? using technology to have video conferencing more?)

normal working behaviour - no shouting, swearing, throwing insults. it is not the school playground at eton

parliament nearer the centre of the country not in london

how about a job description for an mp? give us an idea of how it compares with other jobs.

JillyR2015 · 25/02/2015 09:40

Not too different from what grovel says - they are both lawyers. One in house one not. But they are very good - they have their mother's genes/IQ/ work ethic and are happy to work harder than most people so as ever you reap what you sow in life and their graduate brother by the way is a postman at the moment which is his choice but obviously pretty poor pay.

I am unhappy that too many women aren't aware of what women can and do earn and are given very low expectations that XYZ job or ambition is not for the likes of them whereas if they just followed the programme all these riches could be theirs......

2rebecca · 25/02/2015 09:54

I wouldn't give up my job to be an MP. The pay would be similar but the workload much higher and all that commuting and the job insecurity and my personal life examined. I think that should be their main job and they should have to turn up to all the debates and actually vote and clock in and out but that we may need to pay more.
I'd favour higher salary, a much reduces expenses budget and much more rigorous monitoring of them and chucking them out if they don't attend 75% of debates and do their constituency stuff

MoreBeta · 25/02/2015 09:56

In the last week I have interviewed for two senior civil service jobs in a specialist area which could have impacts on the lives of large numbers of people.

One paid the same as a Ministers salary plus expenses and the other paid the same as an MP salary plus expenses. Both are based partly in London and partly in another part of the country - much like an MP.

It has been interesting watching this discussion while interviewing for these jobs. In reality a Minister or an MP gets paid roughly the right amount in comparison to a civil servant of similar responsibility and standing.

I have a doctorate and years of professional business experience. It is 36 hour a week job so about half the hours I used to work in the professional commercial jobs I used to work in. I cant live in London on the salaries on offer. I could if my housing costs were paid on expenses.

The truth is that outside of London an MP or Minister salary is quite adequate and fair. Very high London housing costs make the salary of an MP seem low but then again MPs who have bought houses in London on expenses have benefitted hugely from house price inflation.

My bottom line is if you want to earn more go and work in another job. No one is forced to be a MP.

MissM · 25/02/2015 10:36

MoreBeta I want to stand up and applaud your speech. You have not just hit the nail on the head but hammered it into the fence post (currently moonlighting from the Broadchurch thread, where fences figure largely).

It's the same as any other work as a public servant. You don't go into teaching for the salary, for example.

Seeker33 · 25/02/2015 11:31

Greed is Greed and we need to kick it out of parliament and the start kicking elsewhere.

Well to be an MP you need to have a passion for making things better for poor people. (we have millions such)

Seeker33 · 25/02/2015 11:33

2 Job MPs is a ludicrous greedy concept. The Tories are riddled with such. and labour has more than they should.

Droflove · 25/02/2015 11:41

I wouldn't be an MR for 60k. It's not bad money for many jobs but no what I would expect an MR to earn. I like that some jobs pay more/pay less/are prestigious/popular/interesting/dull/long hours/short hours.....so choose your area of speciality accordingly and work to get the type of role you want, lawyer or postman. Both have their own pros and cons. I wouldn't go for ME at that salary.

Droflove · 25/02/2015 11:42

MP! MP!

JillyR2015 · 25/02/2015 11:51

People tend to become MP for reasons other than money. Also if these men had the sense to marry female lawyers earning £100k+ they wouldn't have the same issues. (Not sure what Mrs Rifkind or Mrs Straw do).

19lottie82 · 25/02/2015 12:23

if you're exepected to live in and around London and support a family then 60k isn't a lot reallly is it?

TooSpotty · 25/02/2015 13:33

Mrs Straw is Alice Perkins, a very successful civil servant.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Perkins