to think they should charge the Syria girls

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If they are indeed with terrorists in Syria then when a small chink of sense comes back to them and they want to come home, I hope they will be charged.

I have not read the whole thread. But I see this as child sexual abuse, very plainly. And believe it should be dealt with as such, in terms of who is responsible etc.

BTW: My kids travelled many thousands of miles by plane alone frequently from the age of 16. Stopping young people travelling alone is not any kind of answer.

realistically, the people most likely to be damaged by these girls' actions are girls themselves.

there are certainly precedents for prosecuting 15 year olds where they have been accused of a crime, but they have not done anything criminal yet. it is the custom on this island, i believe, to await commission of a crime before planning the prosecution. even if you really really think a crime will be committed.

all this slavering over what should be done to minors who have not done anything illegal is a bit, well, weird.

Some of you really should be ashamed of yourselves...you are calling for the jailing (and worse) of children who haven't even been shown to commit any crimes at all.
The only question is: WTF is wrong with you? Put down the Daily Mail and get a grip on yourselves.

Perhaps the children are too segregated and not receiving a very broad education

Yes, that's what worries me - although I appreciate that education certainly doesn't just take place in school and everyone needs to play their part in combating this

Trouble is, this idea doesn't always seem to go down well. Eric Pickles sends a letter encouraging good community influences and there's an outcry, the Prevent Agenda is slammed as Islamophobic and so on and so on

No sane person would suggest muslims are some homogenous mass who all think the same, just as they wouldn't claim this for Christians, Buddhists or anyone else. That said, it seems to me that there are some issue among some of the community which definitely need addressing - call me naive, but I really can't understand how ignoring this can be helpful

Joyfull, thanks for that link. It's pretty chilling that these children appear to have voluntarily joined what Boris Johnson aptly described as a bunch of wankers.

all this slavering over what should be done to minors
no slthering here. merely the well resoned thought that if they have done something illegal they should be charged.
And sexual abuse?? Really?? So after they've voluntarily gone over there and hooked up with known murderers we should just let them back in with no thought to our country's security, yes?

There was a parent governor of the school the girls attended on the radio on Friday I think- he was horrified that this had happened in the school he trusted to educate his children. Whilst I don't at all believe that the school played any part in this, it's indicative of the kind of environment and creed this girls were growing up in, which makes them running away like this all the more incomprehensible and puzzling.

If there are 3 million UK Muslims of which (say) a million are females old enough to fly unaccompanied, and 60 have flown to Syria, how big is the problem and what is it that we are supposed to be doing?

There are people suffering in Syria, especially in this very cold winter. However, if they wanted to help them, they could get involved in one of the many international aid efforts set up to help them.

There is no doubt in my mind: they most certainly did not go to Syria to help the suffering.

I don't think anyone is implying that there is a huge problem and a million women are going to marry terrorists, the question is whether they should be punished if that's what these young women have done.

Dora,
I wasn't repeating what she said. I was following on from her If we want to look at the reasons behind the decisions made by these girls, to explore what they might be.

Again, children, not women.

If it was your 15 year old daughter who had gone to a hellhole to marry a terrorist, I doubt you'd be calling her a woman. And I think you'd be more worried about her safety and less worried about arresting her for imaginary crimes.

it may be that speculation as to what should be done to people if they commit a crime is an example of 'well-reasoned' discussion

it may also be prurient, speculative, distasteful and a bit justicewanky.

probably one or the other, definitely.

They're not going to be arrested for imaginary crimes. they will be arrested if they have committed a crime.do you think hat's wrong?
And if my dd married a terrorist I wouldn't be callin her anything 'os I'd wan no further contact with her.

It's not just a few school kids flying off though is it. Its the whole extremist ideology, which although followed by a minority, is in absolute numbers actually quite large and too big a number for our security services to monitor.

Its only a matter of time before the next terrorist attack on British soil occurs, having slipped under the authorities radar.

this guy is an adult, and has left britain to fight in a militia.

should we charge him now, or later?

Well is Dwekh Nawsha on the list of proscribed organisations? If so, he will be arrested on his return. If not he won't be.
Whichever, it'll be hard to arrest him now as he's in Iraq

no, people who have committed crimes should absolutely be charged.

these girls have not. speculating about when they will commit a crime, what it will be how we can punish them is a bit premature to say the least.

they are no more in state of pre-crime than any poster on this thread is.

You'd cut off your 15 year old for running off to marry a terrorist? I'd be wondering where I went so badly in my parenting that it could happen and desperately worried for her safety, but thats just me.

We are talking about CHILDREN. Brainwashed, poorly educated, not looked after enough children who have done a very stupid thing. When children make such bad decisions, its the adults in the society that need to look at their mistakes.

countess wouldyou have still been on friendly terms if your dd was Rose West?

it may be, but his stated aim is to go and fight. i am assuming this means causing bodily harm, at a minimum.

i guess going overseas to act as a mercenary in other countries is no big deal?

that seems like a very odd precedent to set.

I read about some girls who had been prevented from leaving (in Germany was it?) shouting death threats to their poor parents as they took them home.

It is a cult and I feel so sorry for the parents.

Could I ask a fairly silly question, please? Why would IS WANT three fifteen year olds from Britain? I'm sure someone upthread cited a reference where incomers are sometimes seen as a hindrance by the terrorists.
is it:

1. the girls would be baby-making machines? But then, surely there are plenty of women in Syria that IS could enslave. Or is it as simple as 'the more babies, the bigger the IS nation'?
2. As hostages? But this point was covered earlier
3. To send them back here trained in how to carry out terrorist attacks?

Sorry to sound thick, but I'm not really up on the issues in Syria and would be interested to hear posters' POVs on this.

Tt's not illegal to be a mercenary. Think French foreign legion etc.
Also the army goes to places to fight and that also isn't illegal.
What is illegal is joining a proscribed organisation. so unless you know whether Dwekh Nawsha is on the list, then your example is completely irrelevant

List of proscribed organisations

No mention that I could find of Dwekh Nawsha, but does it have any other names?