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To tell ex that he cannot have dd2 for the weekend if he's going to allow his niece and her friend to take her out for the day?

66 replies

D0oinMeCleanin · 20/02/2015 16:48

Dd2 is 7.

The niece and the friend are 13 and 14.

They want to take her to the cinema in town. They'll get a lift there and walk/get the bus back. It would be during the day, so not dark.

The bus stop/route they'd be walking is along a dual carriageway.

He's done this before, I've told him that dd2 is too young. He did not listen and has planned it again. I've told him if it is going ahead I'll have no choice but to stop dd2 from staying with him.

So as not to drip feed, dd2 has a habit of running away when she's in a mood and has zero road sense.

She reduced my mother to tears a few weeks ago owing to running in the road when it was icy, refusing to listen and refusing to hold hands (whenever my mum made a grab for her hand she bolted and my mum couldn't run as fast in the ice)

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littlejohnnydory · 20/02/2015 19:39

I have a seven year old and there is no way in this world I would let him go into town with a 13 year old.

londonrach · 20/02/2015 19:44

If your dd had traffic sense id say yabu but with your information re her running away yanbu..... Another 7 year would love time with a couple of sensible teenager but your dd sounds like a young 7 year old and its too risky.... Yanbu

MQv2 · 20/02/2015 19:51

"She reduced my mother to tears a few weeks ago owing to running in the road when it was icy, refusing to listen and refusing to hold hands (whenever my mum made a grab for her hand she bolted "

So presumably he now has veto power over when you can see your daughter?

MrsItsNoworNotatAll · 20/02/2015 19:58

Yanbu. I wouldn't be happy with this.

skylark2 · 20/02/2015 20:15

"duel carriageways don't have bus stops"

I'm another one who thinks it's completely normal for dual carriageways to have bus stops.

I do find the concept of a seven year old without serious developmental delays who is expected to hold hands and runs away on the road rather odd, though. Sounds more like a 2-3 year old. Are you sure she isn't simply rebelling at being treated like a toddler? Pretty sure my extremely sensible 7 year old would have got as far away from me as she could as fast as she could if I'd tried to hold her hand to walk down the road.

D0oinMeCleanin · 20/02/2015 21:06

I don't try to hold her hand down the road. I never said I did Hmm My mum was trying to grab her because she was running off after being repeatedly told not to. She then punched my mum for taking away her Hudl as punishment for running away.

I'm at work atm but am reading the replies and will try and reply when i finish.

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EdSheeran · 20/02/2015 21:34

What is this dual carriageways don't have bus stops nonsense? I must have dreamed my route my work down a small section of the A1. Grin

chimchimini · 20/02/2015 21:40

Just wanted to say it's disappointing that posters are suggesting that the daughter's behaviours are down to 'naughtiness'. There may be a reason why she behaves like this given possible SENCO involvement. Just an aside but it really makes me cross when parents of nt kids see anything outside of their field of experience as 'naughty'.

26Point2Miles · 20/02/2015 21:46

Is his contact court ordered?

You shouldn't stop contact.... It's not your choice. It's her legal right to time with her other parent

Hakluyt · 21/02/2015 07:39

Chimchimini- there is no SENCO involvement in this case..........

whentheshithitsthefan · 21/02/2015 07:57

Is he allowed to stop you making choices for your child since you left her with your mum who couldn't cope and nearly let her get run over?

Joyfulldeathsquad · 21/02/2015 08:06

op going off her behavour alone I wouldn't let Her go. Running off and punching your mum shouldn't get rewarded with a trip to the cinema.

herintheredskirt · 21/02/2015 09:39

The argument that "you shouldn't try to control what he does during his time with her" is not appropriate if the op has real concerns about her child's safety.

kitchentableagain · 21/02/2015 09:56

YANBU. Your DD sounds very very like mine. She (mine) has ADHD and ASD (your DD sounds more on the ADHD side). Her self esteem has improved massively from the school understanding this and NOT labelling her "naughty" for the behaviours she cannot yet control.

ADHD is very often inherited, usually from the father (it is more common in boys but diagnosed less well in girls so this might be a red herring - it's what camhs told us). In our case dd inherited it from her dad, who also makes poorly thought out, sometimes reckless decisions. Sound familiar?

D0oinMeCleanin · 21/02/2015 11:05

His contact is not court ordered, although I've considered going down that route merely to stop him dicking them about. He has a habit of going awol for weeks at a time and then coming back and demanding to see them on days we have plans or letting them down at the last minute.

My mum can cope with her, in fact she is the only adult who knows dd2, who dd2 knows well, who will take her out on without another adult with her. My sisters, my gran, my aunt always have another adult with them when taking dd2 out. They'll look after her alone in the house, but will not attempt days out. Ex himself, when we were together would often cut days out short because of dd2's behaviour.

The running off episode was a particularly bad set of circumstances that was always going to have dd2 blow up. It had snowed, the snow was laying, dd2 was over excited, it was also late so she was over tired. Whilst my mum sometimes struggles with her, that is the only real time she has lost control of her completely and considering she has her 2-3 times a week, that's not bad, imo.

I do not make her hold hands down the street or to cross most roads, but some roads she needs to hold hand, standing still, waiting for a break in the traffic and paying attention is not one of dd2's strong points, you can be halfway across before dd2 looks up from the interesting way the sun shines on her shoes and realises you've gone or she could all of a sudden take off down the street because she saw a leaf to chase.

It's not a simple case of a 13yo and a 7yo. It's that it is dd2, with all of her 'quirks', that particular cinema, in that location, that far away from any responsible adult they know. There are plenty of places I would happily allow ex's niece to take her, that cinema is not one of them.

Dd2 can and does run away and hide, lock herself in bathrooms (these things she's does if something has annoyed her) she has no fear of anything so running away does nor consist of hiding around the corner, she'll try to walk home alone. If she spots a friend on the other side of a road, she'll think nothing of running further down the road out of your reach to try and cross to see her friend, she often misjudges traffic and either waits when she could have crossed easily or crosses when there is oncoming traffic that would have to slow or stop for her to finish getting across. There is no pattern to this, it's just randomly one or the other.

She can get violent if she goes past what I call "the point of no return" this is what happened with my mum the day she punched her. If I was there I'd moved to damage limitation rather than control, once past a certain point dd2 cannot be controlled all you can do is try to keep her safe until she calms down. I wouldn't have meted out any punishments until everyone had chilled out a bit.

It is not fair to expect a pair of young teens to cope with that behaviour. Fair enough, in all probability, nothing would go wrong, but how would these two girls feel if dd2 wandered off home? Even if she did turn up again unharmed I'm fairly sure the girls would be worried sick.

I never meant that I would stop her contact with him altogether, I meant I would stop her going this weekend, or rather tonight, since dd2 herself refused to go last night and to have her tomorrow night would actually be a massive help to me and my mum, so of course, ex is unavailable.

I will see a GP, I did not know that was an option, the school always made out that only they could refer her and they see her as 'borderline' SEN and not in need of specialist help, beyond close supervision, which they are able to give her. My neighbour did once tell me that dd2 reminds her very much of her son at that age, who has ADHD/ASD, but we've always managed with her, so I've never really pushed the matter.

She is very excitable, often runs around the house squealing at the top of lungs for no particular reason, seemingly without even knowing she is doing it, if you give her a warning she stops immediately and says she forgot she's supposed to use her indoor voice. She manages not to scream or run indoors for 10 whole minutes on good days then you have to remind her again Hmm School describe her as being "off with the fairies" and tell me she needs constant supervision to keep her mind on her work, but she does quite well when she is trying and can get very engrossed in topics that interest her, such as when they did something on pets. The off with fairies is some thing we see at home, she's not allowed the fire on on a school morning because she will sit and stare into it and forget to get ready. She never sleeps, she never has done. She'll flit from one task to the other without ever really finishing anything, when dd1 and I are baking dd2 needs reminding that she is baking or she'll wander off and start painting or playing on her Hudl then wander back etc. We've always just put it down to who she is. We've (we meaning my family, I work FT evenings and they care for her so they have a massive input in dd2's life) always known she was different but never felt the need to push for any diagnosis because we manage with her and she seems happy mostly.

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kitchentableagain · 21/02/2015 11:20

Massive hugs and Flowers to you do0inmecleanin

My DD was borderline at 7, at 9 she is dx. I too found I could cope with her fine, still can, but she began to really struggle emotionally at school. I went in repeatedly and they said she was borderline, keep an eye, blah blah. Then another parent with kids with SEN took me aside and basically said the school don't like to refer (for numerous reasons) and that I could.

I phoned my GP and had a telephone call, didn't want to take her down and talk in front of her as her self esteem was in tatters (ALL children want to please the adults they love and get approval, the ADHD behaviours are impulses the child cannot control, like reflexes, and they generally feel like crap for doing all the stuff they so. Added to that the attention problems often make them seem blas when inside they feel terrible, but in the flashes their brain allows). The gp said she sounded "broadly normal" but they would refer to camhs. I had to get her appointments accelerated - there is a fairly long wait but dd was self-harming so I didn't want to just leave it. They suggested adhd very early on.

We are still trying to work out an official "treatment plan" for dd. Her sleep is terrible so the medication for the ADHD will need to be given with melatonin (not at the same times!) so she can sleep. It takes For. Ever. to get a psychiatric review.

But the most positive change has been that I don't feel it's my imagination/fault any more, I really value her good points instead of seeing her behaviour as "who she is" and pur relationship is a million times better. For us it has been very worthwhile even though we're very early in actual treatment terms.

My heart goes out to you. People who aren't in the same situation just really struggle to understand how complex it all is.

Huge hugs. Yanbu.

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