To think he should of called the police

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A woman in boots leans into pram and tries to strangle the baby

Wth is this world coming too, he just let her stroll out the shop!

Ah the definition of minimum force!! Been argued in court for ever and a day. But they absolutely can restrain. They just cant go over board. So that can be everything from holding an arm, to putting them on the floor if necessary. Obviously the more the dp ups the ante, the more reasonable force is necessary.

In the courts eyes the force has to be proportional to the violence offered.

And its usually a magistrate who has never been in a violent confrontation in their lives looking at an incident in the cold light of day deciding what is appropriate

There was something very odd about her - her outfit (deerstalker and poncho), her behaviour (he must have followed her for a reason). I don't understand how he did not know what had happened. In the CCTV footage, he appears to speak to the mother. He, at least, knows it is to do with the baby and the pram but just escorts the woman out.

I wonder if she is known to him as a regular, odd person who wandets in and out and that is why he follows her and keeps an eye on her.

Anyway, she is very identifiable I would say and someone will know her. She clearly has MH problems as well.

'wanders'

There are 8 grammar errors from the people so stressed out by the OP's one.

Which always gives so much satisfaction to the non twats on MN.

(I also earn a living from the English language, but am available via PM if any of the so-called pedants (although given the basic errors in each and every post apart from one from them, I wouldn't be allowing them into my inner sanctum of grammatical accuracy any time soon) would like a free mini-lesson on how you really shouldn't pull someone else up on their errors till you've proofread your own a few times.)

Twats.

(And I only opened this thread because I knew the heehawing at the OP would be rife)

George - 95% of people working in law won't have been victims of violent crime. It doesn't mean they can't empathise with a victim or a parent. That's just a pointless thing to say.

No its not. These magistrates sit in a nice comfortable world most never having been in a fight in their lives, let alone had to restrain someone. How do they know how much force needs to be used if they have never done it?

I wasn't talking about their ability to empathise with victims

Yes, you can diagnose mental health problems via CCTV.

We don't know do we? She may have been mentally unwell, the mum might not have said what happened until the lady left, the security guard may not have known what to do.

She just needs to be found and then they can figure out what happened.

"Obviously the more the dp ups the ante, the more reasonable force is necessary."

So if someone is holding my arm I I try to pull away, they can hold tighter?

Even though I'm no threat?

that's awful!

I'm not trying to condone shoplifting btw.

Must be shit if you haven't done anything though.

If anyone is so emotionally incontinent and unable to exert even basic self control which means the very sight of 'should of' is too terrible for them to read without commenting, they should get the fuck off the Internet and, you know, get some perspective.

Sad inadequates.

I agree one correction is enough.

There were posters posting JUST to say ''have'' nearly 15 mins after the OP.

How much of this is a symptom of not reading the fucking thread before you post and how much of it is posters wanting to look smart knowing the mistake has already been pointed out?

Rude to post purely to correct with out addressing the OPs post too.

Shocked at the poor baby being attacked :( Poor mother too. Read the comments under that article and it linked to another awful spate of attacks and a poisoning in MacDonalds (Mail link, sadly) about a year ago. I do hope it's not the same woman, who was meant to be detained indefinitely, let out again.

NerrSnerr, I would bet that any woman in her 60s dressed like that, who is leaning into a baby's pram, trying to strangle it and saying what she said, has a mental health problem of some kind.

It's highly unlikely that you'd be detained if you hadn't done anything wrong tho Diddl

AFAIA they have to have very good grounds for detaining you. They can't do it on a suspicion.

fluffyraggies - If it is the same woman, she had a whole history of attacking toddlers and babies, going back to the 1990s.

Wrt the actual topic raised (because my reading skills are high enough to understand meanings implied) - ideally yes he should have detained her but I can't judge him for not.

Security guards are not highly trained, armed police with back up. They are fairly ordinary people who don't have to put themselves in danger with someone whose just attempted to murder a baby.

The fact he supervised her off the premises with no further incident or esculation is enough imho.

Didl, in my experience those who have done nothing wrong tend to sit there with a very smug smile until police arrive, as they know they're clean!

I've seen security threatened with needles/knifes and assaulted countless times. They have every right to use reasonable force for their duty in my opinion. Saucyjack is right though, they're usually pretty sure having either witnessed it via cctv or themselves.

Yes I guess so.

I'm guessing I'd comply & just be pissed off with the time wasting & embarrassed at the whole thing.

"The fact he supervised her off the premises with no further incident or esculation is enough imho."

I disagree with this. The woman should have been detained for what she did. Why would you attempt to strangle a baby if you weren't having a mental health crisis?