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The Tories and their new hoops for the working poor to jump through.

316 replies

HelenaDove · 16/02/2015 17:36

If you are not working enough hours or cant get enough hours you will apparently be sanctioned. Unbelievable Confused I cant see some employers being happy with this either although they should be paying a living wage in the first place. Because ppl who have been sanctioned are hardly going to be able to get to work are they?

Ridiculous and vindictive.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/ministers-are-reaching-beyond-scroungers-and-aiming-britain-s-working-poor

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sliceofsoup · 16/02/2015 20:50

First the Tories set "hard working people" against the feckless scroungers who couldn't pull their curtains.

Now the hard working people are going to be expected to attend the same work focused interviews as the feckless.

You think it will stop there?

LuluJakey1 · 16/02/2015 21:01

There are people who make choices to live on benefits and not look for work, but the question is why? Not because life on benefits is easy and better- from what I see it is not at all. It's because they have few choices - single parents, poorly educated, 3rd generation unemployed, live in high unemployment areas like NE, poor health, no hope.

We just never change most of these things. I teach in a school in an area that has been deprived since the industrial revolution. Whatever has happened in the world, it has been an area of poor housing, poverty, low aspiration, poor health, low paid jobs or high unemployment.

Our children do very well and many go off to university but there is no decent housing, no one with any socia aspirations moves into the area and those who leave are replaced with people with similar deprived backgrounds.

Until the government does some social engineering - building better class private housing in the area, building the best schools in terms of facilities ( instead of two brand new ones in the wealthies bit of the county and leaving the two poorest and shabbiest where we are) , the balance will never change and there will be no belief in the locality that it can ever be different, nothing to change the balance and be examples and something to aim for.

Fairylea · 16/02/2015 21:05

They also need to improve childcare. Not just create more of it. Where I live our nurseries are awful and I actually complained to ofsted about one I visited with a view to returning to work when ds was very little. I would rather have lived on air than sent my baby to any of the nurseries in our area. (And I'm not anti nursery - when I lived elsewhere I put my elder child into a nursery at 6 months because I was confident it was good). Low paid workers can't afford to be choosy about childcare but I'm not sure what this is going to do to future generations who are placed in less than adequate settings. Not every parent has supportive families that can step in to help.

Most low paid jobs like retail, care work and catering / bar work require someone to be completely flexible and cover holidays and sickness. What kind of childcare can cover that, on those kind of incomes even with the childcare help element?

ssd · 16/02/2015 21:13

I can't believe someone on here actually thinks another person chooses to take a job that pays less than the minimum wage, less than £6.50 an hour!!!

unbelievable that another person would think this

meglet · 16/02/2015 21:14

they announced this 4 yrs ago. It terrifies me.

I work 3 days a week to ensure I can keep on top of the house, study, support the dc's and maintain my wobbly mental and physical health. I've said it before on these threads but I'll go full time in 12yrs once both dc's are packed off to uni.

I was the child of a ft working LP, lucky mum had to come home to chaos and deal with my family self - harm and depression while my school days went down the drain . I'll save the tax payers money by not having a breakdown, supporting them emotionally and making sure my dc's make the most of their education.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 16/02/2015 21:20

I think this is a change to what they announced 4 years ago The article refers to something that was changed in the legislation at the end of last month, but helpfully doesn't say what that change is.

There was something similar in the original UC draft. I suspect whatever they have changed it to is worse.

caroldecker · 16/02/2015 21:39

Sorry people don't read the thread - the petition linked upthread was about people who choose to be self-employed and earning less than the minimum wage. They claim they should therefore get more benefit and allowed to keep this less than minimum wage job for life, topped up with benefits.

Rafa where does it state that being in work is not a sufficiently good reason to miss an interview?

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 16/02/2015 21:47

It doesn't but seeing as being at a job interview or hospital appointment doesn't count as a good enough reason, I can't see that being in work will be either. Miracles may happen though.

sliceofsoup · 16/02/2015 21:54

carol What choices do you approve of?

Just curious.

BishopBrennansArse · 16/02/2015 21:59

I posted about this around three and a half years ago.
Got shouted down for being a 'hysterical frothing loony' if I recall correctly.
Because 'they wouldn't do a thing like that'.

But yeah, whatevs, they did. I'm not happy about being proven correct but guess what you all sleepwalked into this just as you are back door nhs privatisation.

HelenaDove · 16/02/2015 22:11

Bishop i was on the same threads under another username.

there was a poster called Huntycat (not me) who was very knowledgable about this.

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slightlyglitterstained · 16/02/2015 22:11

Just when I think they've sunk as low as they can, they bring out something else.

At least it makes the election a tad easier - I may not think there are great options, but "less hateful than the ConDems" is not a high bar to reach.

TwatFaceBitch · 16/02/2015 22:12

Reading that just makes me feel sick.

BishopBrennansArse · 16/02/2015 22:16

Yeah, that wasn't me. But I did post direct links to draft legislation documents. Still got shouted down.

In fact got so much stick I've had to NC a fair few times.

HelenaDove · 16/02/2015 22:19

Ive just seen ppl on my fb frothing about Benefits Street and saying thats the reason our country is skint.

I couldnt let it slide this time.

Skint when there is money to spunk on wars and MPs expenses. Some ppl are idiots and believe any old propaganda.

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aquashiv · 16/02/2015 22:35

Knew they would do this. If they get in again, then watch the social problems rise and the fall out of a fragmented society. We will all suffer the country will not be a nice place to live.

I think it has helped me however, to jump down off the fence with my vote.

BishopBrennansArse · 16/02/2015 22:37

I've never let it slide.
But the criticism I've faced for it has significantly affected me mentally, along with the direct criticism I've faced for 'choosing life on benefits' (with more than one disabled child)

This government, who do not have the mandate, their ideology and propaganda have a lot to answer for.

HelenaDove · 16/02/2015 22:44

Bishop Thanks Thanks

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CitrusSun · 16/02/2015 22:47

They are a bunch of tossers and if they're voted in at the May election God help us all

Electriclaundryland · 16/02/2015 22:48

I get the fear that the Tories will get in again. Can't imagine how awful a Conservative majority government would be.

Might move to Iceland. They're prosecuting bankers there.

CitrusSun · 16/02/2015 22:51

Tend to agree Electric, so many greedy people wanting to protect themselves and not giving a damn for the majority who struggle under a Tory regime

I'll join you in Iceland, wouldn't mind the cold if it meant living in a fair country that actually cares about its people and recognises corruption

blackheartsgirl · 16/02/2015 22:58

fuck it, I might even have another baby, that might keep them off our backs for another five years.

Seriously though I can see people getting pregnant on purpose to avoid the hassle. I just can't believe the tories are targeting working families as well, those who are doing their best, i am speechless

how will this affect student parents, does anyone know? The info out there is so bloody vague.

I really wanted to go and study next year and get a part time job so you know actually improvemy job prospects in three years time. Doubt I'll be doing that now

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 16/02/2015 23:15

Black heart. Dont blame you. My friend did this. As she was fed up of jumping through DWP hoops, and terrified of sanctions. You can't live like that when you have little ones.
Her attitude was I might as well just go out and get pregnant, at least that way I can stay on income support!, and they wonder why people have theses babies!!

blackheartsgirl · 16/02/2015 23:30

Exactly Iliveinalighthouse.

I would seriously consider it if my health wouldn't be affected and we weren't overcrowded already although I suppose I could put 3 in a room.

worth it though than living with the fear of constant sanctions because their mother was penalised for working part time or not at all because she is the main carer or can't find more hours even though their poor father works permanent nights

RebootYourEngine · 16/02/2015 23:35

Does anyone know what's going to happen to universal credit if the tories don't get in, will it be scrapped?