to ask if you're pissed off with the Baby Boomers?

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Because people who are currently young-ish adults (MN's main demographic?), and younger, will be paying for the lavish lifestyle they've enjoyed?
The money borrowed for their nice big pensions will be paid back by us and our children.

Does this mean they shouldn't spend so much time in Tenerife?

Has anyone noticed that Waitrose are employing people 60 plus. Yet the young people seem to turn their noses up doing these shop roles.

I think there is a great sense of entitlement with our young people especially around London.

So you speak with forked tongue. How can we possibly engage?

No Hillingdon I had not noticed that.
I noticed all the students doing nightshifts with me in a call centre and then attending lectures the following day.
I noticed those young people.

Hillingdon

Has anyone noticed that Waitrose are employing people 60 plus. Yet the young people seem to turn their noses up doing these shop roles.

I think there is a great sense of entitlement with our young people especially around London.

Bull shit. Most young people I know are taking on multiple jobs just to get then through uni.

That isn't their fault good for them but many pensioners are not living in teneriffe with a lavish lifestyle yabu amd bitterness is a terrible trait to have so is envy I see it all the time on here posters seething abput rich pensioners it is ridiculous.

Some of you obviously have very rich parents! My family were things like miners, never owned property, from areas of the NE where ven today houses cost only £100k. People had a tiny state pension which meant their houses were not very well heated. Yes a few pensioners who did not endure the War nor rationing and got big pensions from work have done okay but not most of them.

I think a lot of young people need a kick up the bottom and need to appreciate how tough life was without central heating, never eating out, not buying tings they take for granted like coffees, meals out, holidays, cars, and even hair conditioner.

However inter generational fighting rarely gets people very far. Also if you want to inherit from your parents or get help towards a flat from them or with childcare a good starting point might be appreciating what they have done in the past for you in working very hard. If instead you want to kick them then perhaps they will kick you back and go off and spend their hard earned savings.

The thing is Jilly my parents didn't work that hard. My mum never worked after the grand old age of 27 and my dad worked a maximum of 6.5 hours a day 5 times a week. He would laugh at the 'worked hard' assertion.... Of course he was lucky, but not just in dob!!!

No one has said all bbs are rich.

The Coffees have arrived.

We'll send those young people down to M and S in Westfields, because the manager there told me they cannot get the right staff!

I don't think it is helpful to generalise about any particular age group. People are all individuals, regardless of age and plenty of young people work really hard.

All Western industrialised countries have been experiencing some "hollowing out" of working and middle class incomes:

BBs were lucky to live through the period 1950-1980 where income inequality was historically low and opportunities for ordinary people to advance in careers and home ownership were unprecedentally high.
Some, not all, were able to join public and private pension schemes on terms no longer available.
Wrt state pensions, each generation has always paid for the previous 1-2 generations.

Since about 1980, automation and globalisation have hammered incomes, jobs and pension plans for the bottom 95%, while the top 0.1% have trousered nearly all the profits from the increased productivity of everyone else.
This division has been exacerbated by the removal of capital controls, so the super-rich can easily move money around the world to invest in low-wage countries with few laws on health & safety or pollution.

This overall inequality is the problem, not one generation robbing another.

Mumsnetters seem to know much richer bbs than average though. This graph shows official UK figures on median income for different age groups, before and after housing costs (BHC, AHC):

Actually the people I'm pissed off with are those like David Cameron . George Osborne , Nick Clegg , and that ilk , who are all around my age . Who are quite happy to tell us that "we're all in it together ". Well some of us are more in it than others .

My son works for Waitrose. As do a lot of his peers . All our supermarkets are full of students , who seem to be working their nuts off in the holidays to support themselves at uni . The last time our local Morrisons recruited , they had 300 plus applications , for a job of 10 hours a week . Mainly from students .

Threads like this make me glad to be American. As a society, we don't hate the Boomers. Especially the ones who fueled the Civil Rights Movement. And the Women's Liberation Movement. And the Disability Rights Movement. And the Stonewall Movement.

Yes

Because they are solely responsible for repeatedly blocking any development in our village. Development which would provide young families and couples with affordable housing. All because they don't want their property devalued and are concerned about 'who' the affordable housing might bring to the village.

Whilst they sit in their £300k houses which they bought for pennies.

Another new poster having a go at baby boomers. Or yet another name change, maybe?

No idea, but if it were I don't think it would be the only one on this thread.

I'm a BB ( but my sister is not ,so presumably you can dislike me but not her!)We were brought up in really basic conditions , no holidays, freezing cold houses, never went out for a meal and a trip out was to the local park. I went abroad for the first time when I was 28. So guess I really got lucky there. I had to give up work when I had my children, no help with child care or free nursery places. I hold down three jobs so that I can help my children with their uni fees and to give them a better start. Most of the younger BB I know are in the same position facing years more work to support our children. Some BB got lucky. Many of us did not. Stop generalising.

We're coming up to a General Election. Expect lots of daft threads like this on message-boards for everything; where lazy journalists and party-apparatchiks, seek to influence public opinion, by cobbling together, made-up statistics, on who whates whom.

Like the poster above, I am also a BB but I'm not sure where the get the idea that your generation is paying my pension. You only need to work 30 years to get your state pension, I worked 44 but I don't get any more. I don't have a private pension either. I went back to college and retrained in my forties and ended up in a good job. I saved really hard and bought a house that I paid cash. I realised I had to do something to replace the fact I didn't have a private pension. I didn't get my nails done, didn't spend a lot on clothes because we were paying school fees and paying for their activities etc.

My DH was left money after his mother died but it's in the bank, our children will inherit that plus our house but to be honest I have a son mid thirties who has a house worth far more than ours, if they go on holidays they go first class. They have everything they need plus more.

Like some of you I used to sit in my house thinking we would be hard up for the rest of our lives, that is why I got off my backside and did something about it.

Everything I have is because I worked for it, my sister, a spinster, also a BB, is working on her second Doctorate. She has been a property developer, started up businesses and worked really hard and is worth a lot of money.
My children and nieces will inherit that.

I think it probably stems from the fact we grew up with nothing, like the poster above said, no central heating, just enough food, no luxuries and a mother who was useless with money.

Don't begrudge BB's anything because you don't know our backgrounds. By the way we still support our DD now and again, we pay for her car. I bought her clothes yesterday because I wanted to. I picked up something for her last week and paid for it. I took her dog to the groomer and paid for it so I may have made money but my family are benefitting from it.

I'm not pissed off with them.

They lived through a period of unprescedented economic boom and benefited from it. Lucky them.

I do however, think it behoves them to recognise that fact and not put their good fortune down to hard work and lack of wastefulness.

Actually OP, as the BBC are now banging on about Pensioner-Bonds, are you a journalist from Auntie?

And your original question is still very badly worded; you need to go back and brush up on your grammar. Your question wasn't asking about 'Baby-Boomers' (ludicrous tag) but if it was unreasonable to ask.

Still, you've clearly fooled most of the people, most of the time, by getting responses, not relating to your actual question.

Well. I am 70. We own our modest bungalow. We have brought up 5 children at a time of full grants so all had a university education and have good careers. They are all married with dc(all our dc in their 40's) and.....all have houses, cars, holidays etc. We have no savings at all but a good income from pensions which we paid into for our whole working lives. Any capital we had went to give the dc a helping hand. I think the current situation re pensions is appalling for those under 60ish. We were very very lucky but we also lived through war, rationing and some very hard times. It is what it is don't hate us please.

I've just looked up the definition of baby boomer and, what do you know, I am one!

I can't say I recognise myself from the op's post or many other bitter sounding ones that have been started in the past by goaders on mn.

Many baby boomers had to pay their mortgages through the 17% interest rates in the 1980's and only just held on to their homes. We were one of those people and it was grim. We didn't have a foreign holiday until our children were 11 and 13 and never been to Tenerife in my life. I am very grateful that we now own our very modest 3 bedroom house, but our pension years will be spent counting the pennies and I very much doubt if we will be able to afford to go abroad, let alone live the life of Riley.

I'm thoroughly fed up with these threads now and, honestly op, you sound bitter, twisted and not very bright.

We also help our children where we can. Is that ok with you op? Not that a care one jot what you think.

and not put their good fortune down to hard work and lack of wastefulness

OMG, the wastefulness I see nowadays actually depresses me. I'm a baby boomer and if I was young now no doubt I would waste to the same extent but I remember trailing to the launderette every week because there was no assumption of washing machines in rented property (or the spare cash to buy one) - I think the bb's tried hard to give their DCs all that they didn't have (unless a DC of wealthy professional) and this is the upshot, spoilt brats individuals who want more than they can afford.

Just to up the anti I feel the need to add that I was bought up on a series of very nice council estates by my disabled parents and had to rely on hand me down clothes and we never went further than Bournemouth for a holiday (we lived in the South East). It was fine actually and we were happy, but not much to envy by current living standards.