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thinking that illiteracy is now universally acceptable in everday life

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MarytheContrary · 06/02/2015 00:31

"would of" "should of" "could of" - They/Their/They're - lose/loose - bought/brought - weighed/weighted

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MarytheContrary · 06/02/2015 21:36

Don't get me started about Rotherham - that's a whole new thread Blush

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TheChandler · 06/02/2015 21:40

My all-time favourite is "bias". As in "I'm bias". I have a vision of an A-line skirt somehow.

I quite like "chuft" too.

And "I learned him" instead of "I taught him". I think its an attempt at a return to Old English via German - "ich haben hem geleren" or something? Any German speakers?

phlebasconsidered · 06/02/2015 22:21

Thankyou, Jeanne. It's a funny position, being an English teacher. I recognise that rules are important for writing. So do they. However, at any one point, they are being judged on creativity, writing and grammar, and that doesn't always hang together. We all recognise that. The new curriculum does not.

They also see things I don't. They were far more able to tell me word classes that are mutable than I was. They see that language and the rules governing it change.

I think we underestimate them. Instead of forcing grammar, as it is presented to them, down their throats, why not be honest? Why not say: THIS is the job, the letter, the email to your boss. THIS is the text, the email to your group, your board. THIS is the twitter. THIS is you using traditional grammar and subverting it in your writing to add tension.

Play with it! What irks me about the government is that it's all right or wrong. My current year 5 are facing a grammar test next year which has 60 % new content or terminology from this government. It's not fair, and most of it is antiquated. The new syllabus is all about old rules. What we should be doing is what my class naturally do: keep the useful, use the rest. That way, writing grows too. Grammar is for writing, for playing and improving writing, not for building walls or preventing writing.

If you obey all grammar rules, you loose fluidity in fictional writing. And let's not forget, the commas rules were different a mere hundred years ago. Not to mention Austen and her run ons. The government fixation with correct form is crazy.

Looking up homophones and homographs today in the dictionary, the class asked me who was to blame. The answer was immense. Anglo Saxons, French, Vikings, Samuel Johnson...

Saz12 · 06/02/2015 22:29

Levels of functional literacy have improved in the UK, even if grammatical errors appear to be on the rise.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 06/02/2015 22:30

Oh, but I love that they're asking that question, isn't that brilliant?!

Mine, who are much older, still sometimes start out doubtful that that there ever could have been such a thing as English dialects that were considered equally 'correct' despite having different orthographies. And they try to figure out what's going on with that and social snobbery, too. We have fun with Chaucer pretending to turn his nose up at northerners.

IKnewYou · 06/02/2015 22:42

meh, if you don't like my English you better take it up with Siri Confused

phlebasconsidered · 06/02/2015 22:58

Jeanne: exactly! It's NEVER been set in stone! I love that we have dialect, fun with language! I hate that my future is teaching strict rules, under the understanding that there is a right / wrong. Because there is not! I do not mean that there are not rules, but that rules hould not overpower the beauty of language, or use of language to put across a point, rather that they should be a tool, and aid that.

I talk to my class about composistion, like music. We teach them that one thing is right /wrong. It's a lie. Look at Burgess and Clockwork Orange, Joyce and so many more.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 06/02/2015 23:02

Ooh, yes!

Something that was really special, for me - in sixth form, we used to sit in the common room, and there was a girl who was really into the Clockwork Orange, so she would read bits of it out to the rest of us. I remember she was absolutely brilliant. It really made it come alive for me.

maddening · 07/02/2015 01:03

My uncle is a professor of English at a university with a 1st from Cambridge and a masters from Harvard and even he isn't so twatish about other people's grammar.

And you do use far to many question marks.

echt · 07/02/2015 01:12

The point about breaking the rules in creative writing is you know the rules and are breaking/subverting them deliberately. This is not what "should of" is doing

Language registers have always been taught, surely? The right vocabulary and tone for the right occasion.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 07/02/2015 09:59

Yeah, but when you're teaching year 6, echt?

Won't you be both teaching the rules and teaching how they might be broken - they're only little!

MissSingerbrains · 07/02/2015 12:39

Sorry, yes - just to clarify, my "dickhead" comment was not a reference to the OP or any PPs. I was just amazed that it seems to be acceptable to call people names based on a fairly innocent subject matter of their posts, according to Scottish Mummy (whoever she is).

As you were... :)

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