To ask for help with Harvard Referencing! Please!

[MrsTawdry]

I write copy for a variety of clients. Usually it's pretty light, fluffy stuff but this week I'm working on the introduction to a medical handbook.

I have to use Harvard Referencing...can you tell me...if I am going to use a quote from one author which I found in a book by another author...do I have to say so in the referencing? "Cited" or somesuch?

Also...client says "Harvard referencing on the bottom of the page"

Does that mean I can't put any ref in the body of the text?

Like this "Blah de blah blah in 1965 in her manual of eye diseases Jane Watkins defined the condition as blah de blah"

Or should I just quote "Jane Watkins" with some kind of * and then mention the manual she wrote at the bottom!?

As you can tell I am not a trained copywriter. I do well though...so please don't judge me!

At the bottom of the page isn't Harvard, it's the other one (Oxford?).

You'll have to go back to the client with examples of each and ask them to clarify!

guides.lib.monash.edu/citing-referencing/harvard
and a generator
www.harvardgenerator.com/

www.ukessays.com/essay-help/referencing/oxford-referencing.php

Oh bugger I can't! He's away! I did think it seemed odd!

Thank you Nomama!

Yeah Harvard is in the text so a quote or paraphrasing of a quote followed by (Watkins 1965 p165) as in your example and then a bibliography listing the full title etc.

Otherwise it's Oxford, where you use numbered footnotes, so only the number appears in the text after the quote.

For a quote inside someone else's text, it's the name of the person giving the original quote in the name of the author.

So if Watkins quoted Smith...it's (Smith in Watkins 1965 p165) or a number then in the footnotes or bibliography it's Smith, T in Watkins, J 1965 The big book of eye diseases, publisher, place published.

Harvard referencing is in-text.
Eg. 'Watkins (1965: page no) defined condition x as....'
Or 'Condition x is defined as ... (Watkins, 1966: page).'

If they want footnotes, then its a different referencing style (Chicago, Oxford, etc.).

But when they say 'reference at the bottom of the page' it could just mean a bibliography- normally for Harvard you do in text references with author, date, page, then in the bibliography at the end you give full publication details. Probably best to check with the client.

If you want a really simple guide to Harvard, find someone who has gone to UCLAN (I've lost mine) They have a very simple table to follow with all examples and how to write them.

Got me through endless assignments. If I hadn't lost it I'd have sent it to you!

Harvard referencing

FAMILY/SURNAME, Initials. (Year of publication – in brackets) Title of article. Title of journal - in italics. Volume number. (Part number/month – in brackets). p. followed by page numbers.

Thanks all. I'm only writing the intro...though it is quite detailed I'm not sure a bibliography at the end of an intro is correct? Is it?

Neils toolbox is good for Harvard referencing - I wouldn't have survived my OU degree without it :)

www.neilstoolbox.com/bibliography-creator/index.htm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parenthetical_referencing

No the bibliography would go at the end of the full text...unless it's not Harvard and the footnotes would then have the same detail as would be in a bibliography.

Yep, I use nails toolbox all the time.

I frigging hate referencing.

I have a quote I just referenced right now. It's was a quote on another website about a different author and this was how I was taught.

Andersen (1999) as cited in
in Gul P (2012). Andersen. Available: www.distancelearningcentre.com/access/assessments_extras/sss/NVC/Culture_and_gender_differences_in_touch.pdf. Last Accessed 29/1/14

Here are his exact words

It needs to be fully referenced using a Harvard referencing style.

References should be at the bottom in alphabetical order.

hmm....

I'd take that as Harvard referencing with a mini bibliography so it can be put in the real one when it's added to the rest of the document...

But, it's a bit confusing.

If you read it in another book, it would be cited in the text as, e.g., Smith (1994, cited in Jones, 1999) argues that...

Then in the full reference, which is given at the end of the text, you would cite:

Jones, A. (1999). Name of Book in Italics. Publisher: Place of Publication.

Please note that "(Watkins 1965 p165)" would only be used if you're directly quoting something Watkins said, on page 165. If you're not quoting Watkins, just talking about Watkins' ideas in your own words, you don't put the page number and it would just be (Watkins, 1965).

Use www.citethisforme.com

It'll give you what you need to use in text, and then what you'll put at the end as a reference list- not the same as a bibliography.

"It needs to be fully referenced using a Harvard referencing style.

References should be at the bottom in alphabetical order"

In this case you would need to check exactly what he means as this doesn't make sense. Perhaps he means 'bibliography' not references? but who knows? really best to ask him.

A bibliography is different from a full reference list, you do put in text references but you need to pull the full source in the reference list at the end. Like ted said.

It wouldn't be at all confusing if they were paying someone with appropriate knowledge and experience to write this.

That's not your fault, OP, but it's infuriating when things like this are passed off to people who aren't appropriately skilled.

At the bottom of the intro write down full references in alphabetical order.

So in the text it would be (Watkins 1965 p165)

and underneath your full text

Watkins, J 1965 The big book of eye diseases, publisher, place published.

The list of references is basically a bibliography but you don't have to write 'Bibliography' above it.

sheep it is not brain surgery, OP can find out what she needs online.

sunny

When you do in text referencing (Watkins, 1990) at the end of the written piece you have a Reference List that gives the full reference. That isn't a bibliography. I think that's what they mean.

This website will explain it all really clearly

libweb.anglia.ac.uk/referencing/harvard.htm

Thank you Grays, this is the stuff that I should know too.

I hate referencing. Even when you've been tutored on it properly it's a pain, I feel for you mrstawdry. If you need any help with anything, we can walk you through.

But the toolboxes and cite this are really useful

Sheep I am appropriately skilled. I'm not a medical writer though and whilst I've written light pieces about certain treatments, I've never need to do H.R.