To ask for help with Harvard Referencing! Please!

[MrsTawdry]

I write copy for a variety of clients. Usually it's pretty light, fluffy stuff but this week I'm working on the introduction to a medical handbook.

I have to use Harvard Referencing...can you tell me...if I am going to use a quote from one author which I found in a book by another author...do I have to say so in the referencing? "Cited" or somesuch?

Also...client says "Harvard referencing on the bottom of the page"

Does that mean I can't put any ref in the body of the text?

Like this "Blah de blah blah in 1965 in her manual of eye diseases Jane Watkins defined the condition as blah de blah"

Or should I just quote "Jane Watkins" with some kind of * and then mention the manual she wrote at the bottom!?

As you can tell I am not a trained copywriter. I do well though...so please don't judge me!

I used to use reference manager or Endnote.

I'm not sure how much these cost, but is there a free version like this available?

intext Grays (2015) states that hardvard referencing is balls.

or

"Harvard referencing is balls" (Grays, 2015).

reference list Grays, A (2015). To ask for help with Harvard Referencing! Please!. Mumsnet: London, UK.

MrsTawdry, if you're not a medical writer, you're not appropriately skilled. If you don't know the basic referencing systems, you're not appropriately skilled. I see so many poorly executed pieces of medical and scientific writing, it's unbelievable.

When you used his exact words, he said "at the bottom" rather than at the bottom of the page. I suspect he just means at the end.

Grays Thank you!

What tabula said!

Sheep I am indeed appropriately skilled. I have been given all the required and acceptable references to use so I won't be randomly googling outdated material.

He knows what he wants and in the main it is a lively, well written history of a particular medical professional. The medical points come second to the biography.

Tut tut Grays, the direct quote needs a page number (also needs to be italics and in single quotation marks I think

If this is the sort of thing you're undertaking regularly MrsTawdry I would ask for training. Because god forbid a client blamed you if they got caught plagiarising.

You're right about the page numbers, I rushed . I've never put them in italics though - not sure on the rule on that but never taught that.

My uni ended up switching to APA style halfway through which was a PITA

Grays it's not thank God!

Oh no not another thread about plagiarism please!

*It needs to be fully referenced using a Harvard referencing style.

References should be at the bottom in alphabetical order.*

OK, that's definitely Harvard. Imagine the piece written... at the bottom of it (ie at the end) you place an alphabetical reference list. He just didn't really need to include the second sentence, as Harvard includes an alphabetical reference list at the end. An Oxford reference list would be in the order in which they were quoted.

And Neil's Toolbox is a great link... I had forgotten all about it. My Uni students swear by it though!

And no... you don't need training. Just the links to read about it, and the generators to do it all for you!

Referencing takes 20 minutes to teach and then time to monitor, proof read and check. the generators take much of the guesswork out of it. The Uni sits give you the details for oddities. You just need to be able to read - which the OP obviously can!

Trust me, MrsTawdry. Read the links, choose the generator you prefer and Harvard it to pieces.

Thank you NoMamma I'm almost finished the copy so will be devoting the weekend to editing and the referencing.

So I don't need to put refs. within the text then? Say...just after a quote?

So I don't need to put refs. within the text then? Say...just after a quote?

In the text, after a quote, you would put (Tawdry, 2015). Then at the end you put the full reference, as demonstrated before.

Sounds like wants harvard referencing (Panda 1995: 20) plus an alphabetised reference list at the bottom:

Oswald, J. 2001. Worst book in the world. New York: Routledge.

Panda, P. 1995. I win! Oxford:Oxford University Press.

And yes you DO need references after ideas and facts from elsewhere, NOT just after quotations. Grr.

PS - get Endnote. It'll format your Reference List for you in the correct style, and it's dead cheap.

never use italics for quotes! And I agree that it sounds like he wants your reference list at the end of your piece, rather than a full on bibliography. I love Harvard,can't get along with footnotes.

Bumping for another question! When I alphabetise the reference list at the bottom, do I choose the author's name or the title of the book for the alphabetisation?

This is brilliant:

www.citethisforme.com/

Author's name.

Thank you Tabulahrasa! Thanks all!

AND another....sorry if I've referenced an author more than once and in different areas but from the same page do I need to add them in the alphabetical list twice? Or once? Seems weird if the page ref is the same...