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Holocaust Memorial Day or is Bc slip more important

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Theboodythatrocked · 27/01/2015 19:36

That really. Posters banging on about semantics and knickers in twist and here we have real evil, real racist evil bastards.

Ffs just turn in radio 5 all day or BBC 2 now. This is The news.

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tethersend · 27/01/2015 21:09

Tinks, we are going to debate this. I disagree with the OP; the OP disagrees with me. I'm afraid it's unfair of you to tell us to stop discussing it.

Tinks42 · 27/01/2015 21:12

Well I hope you both have a very bad taste in your mouths tomorrow because of it.

Honouring anyones dead should mean wanting peace, no matter what creed or colour.

We all bleed red!

fascicle · 27/01/2015 21:24

I don't understand your rationale, OP. I think that people who care about the language of racism are also highly likely to care about horrific acts of racism. They may even care about the casual inadvertent language of racism precisely because of events such as the holocaust.

tethersend · 27/01/2015 21:42

Tinks, with the greatest of respect, I think you may have misinterpreted what it is that is being discussed here.

The OP feels that discussion of BC's use of the word 'coloured' should not take place at all as a mark of respect.

I feel that it is perfectly possible to discuss and be offended by other racist acts without detracting from the magnitude of the atrocities of the holocaust.

Other posters have other opinions.

I'm not sure why this upsets you so much? Whilst I understand if you would rather not be part of this discussion, to demand that others stop discussing it is a completely disproportionate response.

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Theboodythatrocked · 27/01/2015 21:50

Not sure about that Fascicle

People say they care about a lot of things in peace time when they have the time and indulgence to debate such things. And why not of course.

I am not sure that these people are any more or any less likely to commit unspeakable acts of violence when push comes to shove.

That's what's so shocking about the Bosnian atrocities. These were committed by neighbours into neighbours and perpetrated by doctors, teachers, farmers alike.

Tinks I don't disagree with your last post at all although the only bad taste in my mouth is from hearing the dreadful testimonies of these poor survivors.

Tethersend I totally respect your views and as you say it's fine to disagree. That's mumsnet. Thank god we can.

My dds have lit candies outside now.

They hadn't heard of the atrocities in Bosnia! Of course they study the nazis. They were beyond shocked.

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Tinks42 · 27/01/2015 21:51

With respect also to yourself tethersend I feel that today is not the time to have said debate or conversation.

Coloured is not such an offensive word to warrant this.

We are all coloured to some respect otherwise we would be bland.

Tinks42 · 27/01/2015 21:55

To actually compare atrocities is uncalled for and incites more. Murder is murder and non comparable surely.

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Theboodythatrocked · 27/01/2015 21:56

tethersend I wasn't exactly criticising the post on BC but rather the pages of criticism of him following an apology and the debating over the semantics of words when no one had posted about holocaust day.

That was my point and I do get yours.

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Tinks42 · 27/01/2015 22:02

I actually think you are both talking a load of shit. Theres always more than two chips in a bag if you know what I mean.

tethersend · 27/01/2015 22:04

Tinks, you seem then to agree with the Theboody.

Nobody is arguing that the use of the word 'coloured' is on the same scale as the holocaust, that would be absurd. I am just disagreeing with the assertion that any other discussion of or objection to racism should be halted due to it being Holocaust Memorial Day.

Theboody, my mum was born in 1946, and was never taught about the holocaust; nor did any of her parents' generation ever speak about it. I hope we as a generation don't repeat the same mistake with our children and the Bosnian atrocities, particularly as we now realise the important of keeping the memory of the Holocaust alive.

mrsfuzzy · 27/01/2015 22:06

why is 'coloured' deemed offensive ? black people have different skin tones just as white people do, skin colour doesn't make a scrapof difference to the person, we are all human even if some had green skin.
how the hell can anyone bang on about b.c 's gaff [?] when there are so many more important things in life, and especially today. we can't keep living in the past but there are some things that should never be forgotten and the holocaust being one of them.

Tinks42 · 27/01/2015 22:10

I dont care to agree or disagree with either of you.

Im saying that no act of murder is any less than any other. To argue over the holocaust or the Bosnian genocide is neither here nor there.

No one should ever compare. That leads to more warefare.

If you can't see that then im flabbergasted.

tethersend · 27/01/2015 22:12

Eh?

I can't see anybody comparing murder or saying that one act of genocide was worse than another Confused

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 27/01/2015 22:13

ahem

scaevola · 27/01/2015 22:14

"when no one had posted about holocaust day"

Not 'no-one'.

Not in the thread title, of course, so you actually needed to open the thread and read it, and/or know what 'Night Will Fall' was about. And OK, not a lot of posters. But I'd posted on it, and object therefore to the sweeping generalisation that no-one had.

Tinks42 · 27/01/2015 22:15

Im actually not sure why the government see fit to do this, its not a 50 year thing nor is it a centenary thing.... a 70 year thing? Just smacks of arses that are trying to get one up on each other before an election.

scaevola · 27/01/2015 22:17

As I asked on the other thread, it was clear David Cameraon did not attend the international event. Who did represent UK?

(It's n0t a British event, and wholly unconnected to the UK electoral cycle).

Tinks42 · 27/01/2015 22:18

exactly scaevola... its a tactic from the twits that govern England yet again.

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Theboodythatrocked · 27/01/2015 22:19

I agree tethersend

Of course my family are well aware of the nazi atrocities.

My mum was evacuated and hated it. My dad stayed in Birmingham and his 2 year old cousin died in a direct hit on his house.

However I was in second baby haze in 1991 and vaguely aware of Bosnia. I was shocked really shocked to hear and see the testimonies of those survivors who are my age

It brings the holocaust near Iycwim.

We must keep it alive.

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AWholeLottaNosy · 27/01/2015 22:21

There is a thread entitled 'Ravensbruck' ( a concentration camp for women) where we have been discussing these issues for a while if you are interested.

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Theboodythatrocked · 27/01/2015 22:22

Tinks not sure how to respond to you really.

scaevola didn't see your posts so apologise.

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Tinks42 · 27/01/2015 22:22

Fuck me... A love in now. You shouldnt have started the thread in the first place.

AWholeLottaNosy · 27/01/2015 22:23

I mean the Holocaust, not the nit picking ( not having RTFT!)

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Theboodythatrocked · 27/01/2015 22:23

AWhole no hadn't seen it. Again apologise for missing but mumsnet is a big site.

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Tinks42 · 27/01/2015 22:24

Good... I dont want you to respond to me when you start such stupid evocative threads.

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