To ask your thoughts on Jon Venables joining a dating site?

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With his new name no one can do a google search on him and find his history.

He was found not long ago with images of child abuse.

Should he be able to get on with his life now he is out of prison? Of course he can just as easily meet someone in the pub.

I just had a debate with a family member about this so interested in your thoughts.

Link here

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/james-bulger-killer-jon-venables-5039227

Pinefruits are you deliberately misreading posts or are you just not quite understanding them?

Freudian never said anyone typed that but its the general sentiment behind a lot of the posts on here, when people refer to "bleeding hearts" etc it implies that those people don't empathise with the Bulgers as much as those who are seething.

Again there's a difference in showing empathy and jumping on the grief bandwagon.

i really don't understand what you mean when you say I have "constantly referred to them" certainly not in any detailed way, why are you so determined not to have him mentioned. Venables and Thompson gained notoriety purely because of what they did to him. If you don't wish to hear him mentioned I really wouldn't have gone on a thread about V and T.

Freudian

I don't believe JV has been successfully 're-habilitated to the point he is no danger to the public' so, NO, imo, I don't think he should be 'at large'.

I do believe that further work should be done with him, rather than just 'throwing away the key', however. He was very young when he committed a terrible crime. He has had some years of input that have not yet got him to the point of being able to function adequately and safely in society. BUT he is still a young man and may well reach that stage in time with the correct input.

Do 'we' as the public have the 'right to know' -well - no.
BUT - I would want to know if I got involved with a Category A offender and I would want to know for my family and friends too.

I came on this thread precisely because I believe he should be allowed to get on with his life, whatever his past, as he has served his sentence.

Relentlessly hounding this man helps no one and is a sad indictment of the society which arguably failed him as a child.

no one said that as well you know

but i am aware of what grief hijacking and now who is and who is not empathic. We all are towards the Bulger family and some are also towards JV and RT too it does not need to be one sided

expressing your sad emotions is not empathy as empathy is not about how you feel it is about how you understand or try to undderstand how others feel

do i have much empathy for those who need to let others know how much they have cried over this case no because it is not about them. i do not think there is anyone on here who has not shed a tear or felt incredibly sad about what happened. it is tragic

but the feeling is not part of our lives it is not something we live with

logistically which other posts have I misread apart from the last one referring to those that cry. I think you are misreading posts about "bleeding hearts" because as far as I am concerned the "bleeding hearts" are the ones in authority who give criminals too many chances and show too much leniency. You seem to be going on the defensive unneccessarily. Why do things always have to turn into a row, instead of personally attacking posters we should be discussing the original post. It's so hard though, there's always someone ready to jump down your throat.

If the government think that everyone who is realeased from the prison service is not a danger, why are there sex offenders register and DBS checks.

As per mindreader - he didn't commit a discrete crime as a child, and considering his continued deviant behaviour he is unreformed and should definitely not be allowed to live with out any state intervention.

Personal attacks and jumping down peoples throats?

I've clearly missed those posts.

Wowfudge..... I think it's naive to think that because someone "has served his sentence" then he must be completely rehabilited. Time and time again it has be seen to be not so. Venables has been downloading images of little children, he is not rehabilited and imo I don't think he ever will be. Apart from that I certainly would never trust the authorities to tell the truth.

You did it to me Logist

Sorry, could you refer me to any personal attack I've made and also at which point I was jumping down your throat?

What did you mean by the "grief bandwagon" logist I haven't seen any of that on here.

Pinefruits are you deliberately misreading posts or are you just not quite understanding them?...... That was a personal attack on me.

For me, it is not about the crime he committed as a child, (although, yes, I do think a person has the right to know if they are becoming personally involved with someone involved in a notorious murder case - particularly if a woman of child bearing age).

The general public don't have a right to know general info about him which prevents him 'getting on with life' quietly and responsibly.

Piper makes a good point above - why should JV not 'be at large' re images of child abuse when so many others are? I don't know, that's not logical of me, but I don't think he should.

Perhaps it is because his repeated breaking of his new identity - to me - illustrates his inability to 'cope' and I therefore think he is likely to re-offend until he 'goes back inside' - perhaps as a way of enabling that to occur.

how much of that breaking of identity is down to him and how much to the press (or even us, speculating on a website) I don't know.

There has been a lot of that on here, not necessarily by you but early on in the thread when people were talking about how upset they were by reading up about the injuries JB sustained that weren't publically disclosed and how upset they were when it all happened.

Its the Bulgers who have been left to mourn not the rest of Britain, we can empathise with them but I don't need to tell people how upset I was upon hearing the news as its pretty much a given.

That wasn't a personal attack that was a question...

Although do feel free to report if you feel that I've deeply offended you or anyone else :)

pinefruits I think the personal attacks you are referring to are just comments and not to be taken too "literally". Mi think that's what you said when you asked if everyone was stupid and you finished your paragraph with "ffs".

I also think people need to remember that rightly we don't have a clue what is going on behind the scenes when it comes to the management of offenders. He will be closely monitored as will other offenders of his type. But offenders have to be released sometime, you can't lock people up forever for every offence!

No, monitoring won't always prevent crime and we had a horrible case in our area where a convicted sex offender was living in a community and killed a mother and young daughter.

We don't even know if the story boy a pregnant girlfriend is true, do we? There has been a couple of variations of the story in it within this thread.

You haven't deeply offended me but I felt you were writimg something about me that was inaccurate and ill thought out. I have understood all the posts and you were inferring that I was being unreasonable. It all seems to stem from a post I made way back when I mentioned that I had cried. This has been misconstrued and given to sound like I was boasting and "just because you cry doesn't mean it's true empathy" type of thing. I think someone had said"I cried so I must feel more for the Bulger family", I took that as a dig at me so I responded "did anyone say that". That is not deliberately misreading posts it was me responding to something that wasn't a fair assumption.

JV is being pursued because he was convicted of murder as a child. If he were simply an adult who was convicted of child pornography offences it would a non story.

I haven't said he has been rehabilitated - I have said he has served his sentence. I also stated earlier in the thread that he seemed to need professional help. It appears he is struggling to adjust to life outside prison. No wonder when he is not being allowed to move on from the crime he committed as a child and when he is being hounded and his new identity revealed or at least chipped away at.

Nick but that wasn't said to one particular person, it was a sweeping statement, there is a difference.

If he is being hounded and his new identity "chipped away" at he should stay out of trouble and not keep reoffending. There are consequences for his actions.

pine During the course of an interesting and serious discussion, comments like that are not needed regardless if they are aimed at one person in particular.

No one has verbally attacked you.

I'm leaving this thread as it is the metaphorical equivalent of banging one's head against a brick wall.