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To think of asking a solicitor to write to DS & DH on my behalf?

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Morven11 · 24/01/2015 18:58

DC, 19, A levels - won't get a job - has never thought he could/should combine study and work, even a few hours a week.

And a few hours a week even would make such a difference. We pay a gym sub (that has to stop); protein powders; extra food as he won't often eat what's in the kitchen (which, btw, is wholesome and varied - not many would complain). Tutors twice a week as he fell behind in his studies. He's doing OK - easily, easily time to work a few hours a week and make a reasonable contribution to his particular costs.

DH's job insecure. I work full time and, to make ends meet, have a couple of part time jobs. I'm exhausted. I've talked to DS - many times - and got no-where.

Something has crossed my mind - as DS won't listen - and DH is reluctant to insist that DS at least looks for work (and of course we'd help with that - in fact have done but he's not taken the next steps) and, in the meantime, to cut back on his gym etc. And that's go get someone to write to DS and maybe DH, too - in my most tired moments, and when I'm worried sick (which is quite often) about finances (they are severely stretched and incomes are modest) - I think that paying some solicitor or similar to spell it out. That his mum/DH's wife can't go on like this. Drastic, probably a daft idea, but might serve its purpose? I have no close family who could intervene.

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ILovePud · 25/01/2015 19:32

Well done for making a start on this Morven11 I hope you can stick to these boundaries and not give in to anymore attempts to wear you down. It must have been horrible to have him swearing at you when you are working multiple jobs and struggling financially to provide for him. I'd suggest you set some clear boundaries about the gym though, his 'contributing' sounds a bit vague and at some unspecified point in the future. Good luck.

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Topseyt · 25/01/2015 19:33

Keep strong OP. It will get easier as you get used to doing it.

I have a stock phrase which I trot out to my daughters if they make requests for things which I either deem unnecessary or cannot afford. The answer is "Yes, that is absolutely fine ............. IF you can pay for it yourself".

Oddly enough, it seems to mean that whatever it was very often becomes a much less attractive proposition. I wonder why that might be?? Hmm

Indulging our adult "children" for too long really does them no favours. When my MIL was alive she regularly always bailed out and indulged my BIL, paid his rent when he had blown his Housing Benefit on crap etc. She died last year. He was in his forties and very much a man child. Hopeless with money, into fare dodging on trains (and got caught a few times too), failing to pay bills, accruing fines left, right and centre. She was a fairly wealthy pensioner, or should have been, but with trying to support him, it bled her dry. He has no clue of the value of money, and it truly burns a hole in his pocket. He has suffered the worst since she died because neither of them had ever planned for when she wasn't there, and he was totally reliant on her. He had no clue how to get on, and I guess he still doesn't.

I am not saying for a moment that your son is anything like my BIL (who is admittedly a very extreme case for reasons I won't go into here), but it is just to make the point that you would be doing him a much bigger favour by making him learn that "money doesn't grow on trees".

Cancel the gym membership. Don't buy the ridiculous protein shakes either. Expensive, artificial rubbish in my opinion. How can it be healthier to exist on something like that than on a balanced, home cooked meal??

Hope you managed to steer clear of his essay btw. Wink

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skylark2 · 25/01/2015 19:35

"how else was he going to tone after consuming the number of calories that he needs"

He has it backwards. You don't eat a certain number of calories and then desperately try to tone enough that they don't turn into fat. You do the exercise that you need for whatever you're trying to achieve (which is what, in his case?) and then figure out what you need to eat in order to be able to do it. You'd only go for protein powder if that is completely unsustainable in the form of normal food.

Unless he is training for national level sport, he almost certainly doesn't need protein powder because he simply won't be fit enough to do the amount of exercise where it would be needed.

As for "how else is he going to tone?" - he can run, he can do pushups, he can do situps, he can do squats - none of those need a gym at all. I was just listening to the biathlon commentary and the best biathlete this country has ever produced was saying that in his opinion the best exercise there is for core stability is standing on one foot with your eyes shut - for ten minutes at a time. Throwing money at fitness products doesn't make you fit.

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TheyLearnedFromBrian · 25/01/2015 19:42

As others have probably said, you are going about this all backwards. You're making it more difficult than you have to.

If you want to start making that impact at the same time as making your own life easier and not so financially stressful, you don't need to start implementing stuff (though there are some good ideas there). All you have to do is STOP doing the stuff he demands.

'No I won't pay for the gym. I can't afford it. If you want to go to the gym you need a job.'

'No I won't pay for the shakes. I can't afford it. If you want to have access to specialist expensive food for just yourself you need a job.'

'No I won't do your essay with you. That's not helping you either study harder OR keeping your idea of your capabilities realistic. How does it help you really, if you get a good grade because someone else helped you do it? How does that help you at uni?'

'No I won't make up your bed. You're an adult, you can do it yourself, I've washed, dried and put the sheets on your bed - that's plenty of help'.

All of the above examples are things where your money, time and help is HURTING him - and it sounds as if that's the way things went with your elder ones too. Stops him learning financial responsibility, stops him having a clear understanding of what he can and can't do academically and what he needs to buck up with, and what he's realistically capable of at uni. And at a more everyday level, cushioning from household tasks, learning how to simply be an adult - delay that process, cushion the series of tiny adjustments and blows and disappointments and the gradual learning curve that you HAVE to do it for yourself when you're grown up - warp that process by infantilising, and all that happens is they get one big ugly shock in their early 20s. Some just can't cope with that and end up losing out big time.

Pull it around NOW before he ends up completely ill-equipped either to live as an adult at uni and to do the work it requires, because he will in all likelihood drop out.

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DoMyBest · 25/01/2015 20:12

Not that it would excuse his behaviour, but I don't suppose he could be realising he's gay? I just ask because I had/have a very good friend who just after school became obsessed with his body (virtually only ate protein shakes and egg whites); rejected all his usual friends and then disappeared off abroad only to - finally - come out a few years later.

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Giantbabymama · 26/01/2015 05:33

Hi OP, I think you've made a good start, and hopefully he will see that his swearing and verbally abusing you isn't going to make you back down so hold firm and keep going.

He is probably right that the few months leading up to his exams isn't the time to start looking for work when he's not used to having to make the time, but that's tough tits for him, if he's not going to work he can't have the extras until after his exams when he will have all the time in the world. If he's struggling enough to need tutors he should be buckling down to work anyway, not down the gym. It really is his choice - if he wants extras, he needs to work, if he wants to prioritise his exams, he needs to do that instead and forget about the gym for the time being.

I agree that this protein shake fitness toning stuff does sound a bit odd and confused, I am not sure where he's getting his info from but some advertising campaign or dodgy fitness guru type may have done a number on him.

Either way, it's very odd logic to think that you should be subsidising that for him and I think he knows this really and is just trying to find any reason at all to get you to maintain the status quo. I am sure you are being subject to sulks and tantrums and abuse right now but treat them as you would a toddler, don't reward it by giving way!
Keep going, rooting for you here.

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wanttosqueezeyou · 26/01/2015 10:18

Well done.

He can keep fit and tone without a gym membership. (running/press ups etc)

He doesn't need protein shakes. They're a marketing gimmick.

Assuming there is food in the cupboard, he can make a couple of large sandwiches.

I hope his behaviour towards you (shouting and swearing) has strengthened your resolve). Can you imagine what you would think as an outsider watching that spoilt brat behaviour?!

Just wondering what is his physique like? Does he look healthy? He sounds quite obsessed. Although I can see there are many people who do get hooked on the gym bug.

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bananayellow · 26/01/2015 14:43

A good start. Now don't weaken and give in. It will undo all the good you've done.

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bananayellow · 26/01/2015 14:57

I'll tell you a little story.
We were playing pontoon for chips. !2 year old ds was gambling heavily and sustaining huge losees. He was spending freely knowing we would just give him more if he ran out. I then decided he needed a bit of a lesson in life wasting chips
I said each chip represented an hour on his xbox. He could play on it for an extra hour for every chip he won. If his dad who was banker, won them then he would lose an hour. Well the difference was amazing. He was very careful on how many he bet and the risks he took. There was value to those chips.

Whilst you pay for your Ds and bail him out there is no value to money for him. He will spend your money with no qualms. If he had to work for that money by actually investing hours of his time, then he will be much more conscious of what he spends, wants and needs. There is nothing more shocking than working out how many hours you have to work to afford something. You soon decide whether it is really worth spending money on it or whether you can do without.

He really does need to learn the value of money and how hard it is to earn it compared to how easy it is to spend it.

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Summerisle1 · 26/01/2015 15:13

I have a friend who would, if possible, write all her dcs's essays and probably sit in on their uni tutorials too. She was the same throughout their secondary school and only distance keeps her away from this desperately over-involved parenting of young people who are now legally adults!

She was fairly taken aback when I told her that actually, sometimes it is OK to fail. Especially if this means that your dcs might have to take responsibility for why. University isn't right for everyone. It certainly isn't right for anyone who has only gained a place because their mother has done their work for them.

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kawliga · 26/01/2015 17:03

Your 19 year old son is prepared to use F-words at his mother. That by any standards is a serious problem. This is toddler behaviour (not the F-words, but child ranting at the mother when she says 'no' to something).

You are afraid of him. That is also a very serious problem. You are tiptoeing around your own son ffs. NO, you should not have to show him your household budget to get him on side. You do not need him to agree or accept your budget. You do not owe him any explanations.

So, I think the whole drama about gyms and milkshakes and tutors and budgets is just masking some very serious problems in your relationship. If this was your husband treating you this way maybe you'd see it more clearly as being unacceptable, but because it's your child you tend to put up with it.

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DamsonInDistress · 26/01/2015 18:18

Not just unacceptable Kawliga, but abusive, frankly.

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kawliga · 26/01/2015 18:58

You're right Damson Sad if this thread had been about her DP people would be saying LTB but when it's a child we all naturally balk.

OP, I knew somebody who hated his mother for enabling him, because unless he is stupid your DS knows you are enabling him and he will not thank you for it. This woman used to go to Tesco with her grown up son to pay for his weekly shop (trolley full of luxury foods and booze) and you'd think he would be grateful but he wasn't. He hated her and blamed her for the feckless life he lived. He dropped out of college and blamed his mother for that too, because she said 'that's ok if you don't want to finish college' Hmm

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SquinkiesRule · 26/01/2015 18:58

The minute my teens started to swear at me they'd have been cut off the gym, shakes and special foods. My "teens" are now 26 and nearly 21 and have never sworn at me to my face or in earshot ever.
One still at home, going to college full time, working close to full time hours also, paying his own car insurance and petrol and anything else he wants. We provide the roof, food (if he cares to be home at meal times or make it himself) electric, gas and his bedroom. The only concession I have made was the Dh told him he didn't need to pay us any rent so long as he's in full time education and making good grades. So far so good.

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pinkyredrose · 26/01/2015 19:38

DoMyBest wtf?

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