To think too little too late Ched

[KellyElly]

So he's apoligised. So what! He's done it to save his cater and nothing else. Piece of shit.

All done and fine-tuned to within an inch of its life by people far cleverer and more savvy than he will ever be.

Which does not set the bar very high, TBH.

Especially as we are all sitting here picking over the bones and seeing through it as a rubbish apology.

Tobys i dont understand the girlfriend either. Why stick around with someone who betrayed her. She must have very low confidence in herself or be abit silly. I really hope she has some good friends to support her when he does it again. We all know he will. Has ce closed that website yet and having it open surely is against his conditions. I dont understand why its allowed by court.

All done and fine-tuned to within an inch of its life by people far cleverer and more savvy than he will ever be

And still doesn't use apostrophes correctly or understand the difference between affect and effect.

The key to understanding the behaviour of the girlfriend is the behaviour of her father. She's obviously a girl doing what she was barely dragged up to do.

if you have been previously convicted of the kind of crime that he was convicted of, you are not allowed to work as a steward in a football ground.

so why should be allowed to be a football player?

lots of people who have been in prison are then not allowed to go back to their previous careers.

if we say that it is ok for him to go back to being a footballer do we then say that it is ok for a convicted rapist who has 'served his time' to go back to his job as a teacher? or a dr?

Strange how legal advice prevented him from making even that limited apology earlier but did not prevent him from making other stupid pronouncements about the case and his victim.

I am more disgusted by the people who sent rape and death threats to the employees of Oldham Athletic than anything else. Who sends messages threatening to rape somebodys children because they (or their company) want to employ somebody who is a convicted rapist who has served his sentence as passed by the court and is now seeking employment? How can anybody who argues that CE shouldn't be employed by a football club because he is a convicted Rapist then send rape threats?
Some fucked up world we live in where people have those kind of morals and standards.

They can see his bank balance drying up and are now panicking. The hangers on are trying to use this plainly transparent strategy to keep the gravy train going. Sorry my butt, I've never seen a case of such victim blaming as this one.

if you have been previously convicted of the kind of crime that he was convicted of, you are not allowed to work as a steward in a football ground.

Isn't that because the stewards are likely to come Into direct contact with members of the public and might be required to give basic first aid assistance? Footballers don't have those responsibilities and therefore shouldn't present a risk in that kind of direct way.
I'm not ignoring the other issues, just making sense of the stewards arguments.

Hang on - you are more disgusted by threats of rape than actual rape?

Yes, I am. Anybody who threatens somebody's children with rape or death from an anonymous point of view is a thoroughly disgusting person. Children are a different kettle of fish.
I find what CE did also disgusting, but I am more disgusted by people who threaten to harm children. Using the threat of violence to children as a pawn to intimidate people is disgusting.

Isn't that because the stewards are likely to come Into direct contact with members of the public and might be required to give basic first aid assistance?

And not just that. I have worked as a steward before, and sometimes it involves helping lost children. Whild the rule is that you must try to never be alone with a child, it can happen that a lost child seeks assistance while you're alone. I imagine people would be horrified to find that their child had been around a convicted rapist.

Apologising and showing remorse are not the same thing. He has not apologised for the rape. He has apologised for the fallout from "that night", whilst continuing to insist that what happened " that night" wasn't rape. If he genuinely gave a shit about the impact of his actions "that night" he wouldn't be putting his victim through the stress and indignity of yet another appeal. He is sorry that he didn't get away with it. He is sorry that his furture career is now hanging in the balance. He may even be sorry for the distress his actions have caused his own family. He is not sorry for the victim or he would stop appealing his conviction and let her get on with her life. For him to be remorseful would require him to actually admit that he is a rapist and apologise unreservedly for the rape.

I suppose i didn't explain that very well: what I mean is- if people are genuinely against a football club employing a rapist then how can they send rape threats to the employees of that football club for announcing that they want to sign a rapist. It's fucking bollocks and shows those people to be disgusting and dim witted.
'Employ that rapist and I will be so outraged that I will rape your kid': how ridiculous does that sound?

I agree that using rape as a threat is particularly repulsive, though I stop short of saying that it's worse than actual rape.

However, has anyone actually seen what threats were sent? It's all a bit odd that this was allegedly a strong factor in Oldham's decision yet they weren't sufficiently concerned about it to report it to the police.

Do you know whether they have reported it to the police? The bbc reported that the club had passed the tweets to the police.

I actually don't think he should be able to walk back into a job as a footballer. Their job is in the public eye and they are looked up to as role models and hero worshiped by many people. The likes of Rolf Harris won't walk back into their well paid jobs in entertainment after their crimes, so why should it be any different for a footballer.

It's not really an apology, is it? He's a thick, entitled rapist surrounded by self-serving misogynist enablers.

As for the threats sent to Oldham, I understand Greater Manchester Police have not had anything reported to them.

Inthedarkaboutfashion

I am more disgusted by the people who sent rape and death threats to the employees of Oldham Athletic than anything else.

If indeed that happened, then I would agree with you 100%. However, in the absence of a police investigation, it's a little hard not to wonder if these "threats" were in fact a piece of passive-aggressive behaviour from a beleaguered football club looking to save face after their "tough it out" stance proved counter productive.

Why was there no furore when OA signed lee Hughes. His stupidity killed people. Even though he said sorry and had a sad face the dead people can't be brought back. Why was it ok for them to sign a convicted killer without any rebellion?

And your point is?

I was having various arguments regarding this with the dp's step dad.

1. he felt that given the wannabe "wag" culture meant that consent could be implied. OH HELL NO. a - she never went with this Ched character b - from what i understand he let himself into the room and c - the woman was so drunk by all accounts she was being sick whilst semi-conscious. But actually just oh hell no

Makes me wonder what he teaches his boys.

2. "he's served his time so should be able to get a career going again." Well, he's actually only completed the prison part. He's on probation and has to meet certain criteria.

His argument was that if HE was imprisoned would it mean he couldn't ever do his job again

It's a fair argument in the sense should be able to work again. HOWEVER I pointed out that most people on probation find it very hard to find work and they rarely if ever walk back into a top flight job where surely being a convicted sex offender would discount them from that role?

And don't even get me started on the filming - wtf! !

Was so astonished with his take on whether this was rape I actually couldn't think straight.

The football association (and all footballers) need to take a long hard look at themselves and what their values are imo.

Inthedark, I think when that came out the police said nothing had been reported to them. The police then contacted the club, being rightly concerned about this apparently serious crime, but all they could produce was what was described as "low level tweets".

That's interesting in relation to the alleged threat against a director's daughter when apparently the person making the threat knew her address. If these were only tweets, you couldn't demonstrate that you knew someone's address within 140 characters so it would have had to be a number of tweets, which seems unlikely. I'm wondering whether the reality is that some mindless idiot sent something like "I'll rape your daughter, I know her address" as a generic threat when the reality was he knew nothing of the sort. The club would presumably have realised that it wasn't any sort of genuine threat, hence the decision not to report it - but it came in very conveniently when they were trying to find a face-saving reason for withdrawing.

Either the threats were real and I hope the people who sent them are found and prosecuted - they have clearly been sent by people who have no understanding of the cause they claim to be supporting and nobody deserves to receive that kind of threat - or they weren't.

Either way, I am sure they don't represent the general opinion of those who don't want CE to play for Oldham as they completely contradict their arguments.

Inthedark... like lots of us have has on all the different threads, make a petition, do some activism which gets the FA to extend it's 'fit person' criteria to the players.

We'll all sign it. We'll all back you up. We'll even tell you what a jolly good egg you are for doing it.

We're a bit busy with this rapist right now.

And by the bye, GMP stated that when they asked OAFC staff, board and sponsors about these death/rape threats, they were told there wasn't anything but some low level Twitter abuse. However, if they manage to find the threats and make a complaint, I hope the people who sent them are punished to the fullest extent of the law, and so does every single other activist I know.

It's lovely that you care so much for those of us who HAVE had rape and death threats though, from Ched's pals and fans.