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AIBU to ask if Ched Evans conviction is overturned...

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benfoldsfive · 08/01/2015 08:14

That he should then be allowed to continue his life as normal?

Or will we doubt the credibility of the appeals system?

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notauniquename · 08/01/2015 22:20

im interested to know what you might think would make his conviction get overturned?
His website thinks that there was some sort of dodgy messages that the girl sent her friends on facebook, they are holding out for one of her friends to come forward saying here's a message that she sent the following morning saying how she'd shagged a footballer and loved it...
That'd change the story that she was too drunk and couldn't remember. into some sort of story where she regretted having sex with two guys at once and so decided to cry rape.
(except she didn't "cry rape" she was clearly very drunk, everyone knows this, including his mate who was in the room and asked the hotel to look after her, and including Ched who fucked off out the fire escape)

I don't think the appeals system can fix that sort of fucked up.
exactly, yet he has ambitions of being (like most footballers) a "hero to school kids"

SnowLondon · 08/01/2015 22:23

Oldham have pulled out the deal

lemisscared · 08/01/2015 22:26

he has ambitions of being stinking rich. HAD he held up his hands and admitted to rape, been mortified and showed remorse i might have given him the time of day. might! he hasn't.

TheOfficialPan · 08/01/2015 22:26

All that Knifey says, and indeed why do we need a plethora of threads on the same issue essentially. MN could gather them together. The CCRC are wildly unlikely to provide comfort - IF there were some volcanic new evidence OR a poss reinterpretation of summing up or some nuanced judgement it would have been played out by now on his web site. It's all tiresome wrangling.

wreckingball · 08/01/2015 22:36

I see he has nearly apologised to the Woman.
Funny how all the bad publicity and the not getting the job with Oldham seems to have caused him to think about the victim at last.

FayKorgasm · 08/01/2015 22:41

Yes I saw his apology. Its like he is saying sorry you thought it was rape.

newyearsresolutionsnotforme · 08/01/2015 22:41

He admitted he raped her, if somehow it does get turned over it will not change my opinion of him or those who hold his favour.

My friend was raped as a child, I detest her abuser and wish he would do a justice and take a long walk off a short cliff- despite the fact the case was dropped.

fishinabarrell · 08/01/2015 22:50

By his repeated refusal to accept he is guilty he is saying it isn't rape to have sex with someone unconscious and/or unable to consent. Everyone who supports getting his conviction overturned or him himself, knowing that he convicted himself with a confession of his actions...I feel for their children and those vulnerable around them.

My friend raised something to me, for everyone who supports him: imagine he becomes a footballer again and a role model. Your DC have his picture on their wall. They want to be him- want to be a rapist- they want to be with him - want to be with a rapist because everyone makes 'mistakes' and they should forgive their partners if it happens to them. Your DC grow up seeing him and believing it's okay to rape if you have enough money, if your famous enough, if you can scare your victim enough and they grow up accepting that their rapist can walk free, could show up as a role model on their DCs walls.

And if that doesn't make them think: your DC is devastated because their rapist walks free, you reassure them that that's okay- after all they've done their time.

It should't have to be about someone elses family or DC but when someone posed this to someone I know, they suddenly had a change of heart about rapists. Hypocrites.

AWholeLottaNosy · 08/01/2015 22:57

He was convicted of rape BY HIS OWN WORDS in his police interview so he doesn't have a hope in hell of getting any conviction 'overturned'

HTH

Bambambini · 08/01/2015 23:59

If it's overturned I would respect that and just back off and leave him to get on with it. I have a bigger issue with the clubs happy to sign a convicted rapist and putting goals and money over the victim and all their female and child fans.

borisgudanov · 11/01/2015 02:32

Where's my hat? I'm hungry.

differentnameforthis · 11/01/2015 03:04

Hasn't he already appealed twice and the verdict hasn't been overturned either of those times?

No. He has had his leave to appeal turned down twice...in other words, an appeal wasn't granted as no new information came to light.

differentnameforthis · 11/01/2015 07:23

Funny how all the bad publicity and the not getting the job with Oldham seems to have caused him to think about the victim at last.

he hasn't even NEARLY said sorry! He is only sorry that he caught & convicted.

Willferrellisactuallykindahot · 11/01/2015 08:34

Can I just ask, if the CCRC once again rejects leave of appeal, would he be able to submit again? Can he just keep applying to the CCRC so that, in the eyes of the public, he is in a perpetual state of appeal, thereby always making the public think there is an element of 'doubt', otherwise why would he be able to appeal (because most of the public do not understand that at the moment, he is taking the route that any convicted criminal could choose to take, it means fuck all).

I guess even Karl Massey would hold his hands up at some point and say 'ok, enough now mate, I'm not wasting anymore cash on this', but you never know...

xvxvxvxvxvxvxvxv · 11/01/2015 08:37

How can it be overturned when him raping her is on film?

Him and his family seem to think the legal system works by if you commit a crime and whine about how you don't like the fact you were caught enough you get let off.

VikingVolva · 11/01/2015 08:47

No, you cannot keep going back, unless you have something new that you could not have known about.

So techical arguments about the law of the land as it stood at the time of the offence (ie the 'this is what I testify I did, but it's not rape really') won't arise again - that's been extensively picked over by senior legal figures.

New evidence? Possibly then a fresh appeal (which can then be reviewed again by CCRC when unsuccessful).

But remember, this is all about whether CE could reasonably have believed she was consenting. The three people in that room, the two filming what was happening and at least one member of hotel staff have all given evidence about what they did, saw and heard.

What really are the chances of a so far unknown witness to the events emerging?

sashh · 11/01/2015 08:55

What really are the chances of a so far unknown witness to the events emerging?

Can I just add there is also £20 000 for a new witness, it's been available since almost the day of his conviction

ilovesooty · 11/01/2015 08:56

His Web site was offering a reward to anyone coming forward with content from the victim's private Facebook messages that might provide new evidence. Hmm

ilovesooty · 11/01/2015 08:56

X post there.

Chunderella · 11/01/2015 08:57

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Willferrellisactuallykindahot · 11/01/2015 08:58

No, you cannot keep going back, unless you have something new that you could not have known about.

So does that mean he has something new this time, given he has already failed twice?

Pagwatch · 11/01/2015 09:04

Can we have a Ched Evans section.
We could then have a few key threads called

'well yes but...'
'But she was clearly up for it'
'My brain hurts'
'he hasn't served his time, he is out on license, you fucking Neanderthal
'Mmmm, well he is quite a prize. His parents must be so proud'
'Jeeez, his girlfriend. How low do some women set the bar'

Upandatem · 11/01/2015 09:12

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rootypig · 11/01/2015 09:14

To answer your question OP, I would think our Court of Appeal needed their heads checked. HTH.

Andrewofgg · 11/01/2015 09:17

The chances of the CCRC referring this case to the CoA and the Court allowing the appeal are this to the point of emaciation. Frankly, there is more chance of the sun rising in the West tomorrow. Not a matter to worry about.

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