To be worried about the Ched Evans threads on here

[corkysgran]

Sorry but this does seem like a witchunt to me. Many of the posters (who have signed the petition) obviously have little knowledge of the case. At one point a poster said Sports Direct would withdraw sponsorship if Evans was NOT signed and immediately others were vowing to boycott. Laughable and shows the level of thought before clicking. Online justice and the court of public opinion, not for me. As for expecting football, an industry corrupt from the very top (Sepp Blatter) and inherently sexist, to show any moral stance, get real.

Carrie, if Oldham and its remaining sponsors feel 80,000 petition signatures to be insufficiently significant, they are free to ignore them, just as the people who signed are free to do so.

and you had no idea what my opinion was as I never said it.

way to go

I think the view is that the average person should not have a say in anything. People should just keep shopping, watching, doing whatever, without asking any questions.

I think its quite a sad position.

Its funny, the op admits to finding football corrupt and sexist, but she finds it more worrying that people are discussing, petitioning or campaigning about it. Ho hum.

I'm sure rod Liddle's almost as popular on MN as Mr Evans himself. However, I think this sums it up rather well. ...

www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9410182/the-utterly-ludicrous-and-petty-campaign-against-ched-evans/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WEDNESDAY%20PREVIEW%20NEWSLETTER%20%2326%20%287%20January%29

Rod Liddle: The cunt's cunt.

Irrelevant Yonic. Evans can't 'apologise ' because that would infer guilt, thereby jeopardising his apeal.

Oops 'appeal'*

Didn't Rod Liddle assault his partner when she was 20 weeks pregnant? Nice bloke to quote!

What I find interesting is the amoung of people saying he has a right to work, as he does, but I'm against this signing and have signed the petition.
But would anyone really be comfortable working next to a convicted rapist in any job? Would you be happy for your mums, daughters etc to be?

He hasn't been reabilitated because he thinks walking into a room and having sec with a comatose woman is ok.

And Ched Evans can't/won't apologise because he's an entitled cunt, nothing to do with any appeal.

What appeal Babycham?

a witchunt is persecuting someone who is being unjustly blamed.

I disagree. It's still a witch-hunt, and therefore wrong, even if the quarry is actually a witch.

Calling it a witch-hunt doesn't mean every action or opinion of those participating is wrong, it just means there's a climate of hysteria in which some people are likely to get carried away.

Myfallingstar why would you imagine anyone who has signed the petition is not also involved with rape support charities? I do agree with you that that is another good use of people's anger and outrage at the situation, but people are capable of doing both

Do you remember the boycott against apartheid South Africa? The Nestlé boycott? Are they witch hunts too?

YY tough - it is a silencing tactic, as is use of the word "hysteria"

the first i knew about the worm that is ched evans was on here. I am more than happy to add my voice to the many that says he should not be able to have a high profile celebrity career.

I wonder if oldham and their sponsors would be so keen to sign him if there wasn't the publicity?

I don't want to live in a society that makes it ok for people to commit serious crime and then just be able to skip back to where they left off just because they are rich and famous (the palace have gone quiet) but it seems like we do.

other criminals find it extremely difficult afyer being in prison to get jobs etc. Is that right? depends on the crime i guess but if your crime stays with the victim for the rest of their life then i don't think that you should just be able to "do the time" and that is that

Babycham he isn't appealing.

Ok, can someone help me out here (and before I start, I have been strongly against CE on many threads, and my DH is a respectful man, with no agenda on this - neither of us have huge amounts of knowledge about the legal system).

I was arguing about discussing this topic with DH last night - he said that he believes that what CE did was very wrong, and that it probably was rape, but he struggles to see how he could have been convicted beyond reasonable doubt that she didn't consent, or didn't have the capacity to consent. Basically how could the jury possibly know that it had been proven beyond reasonable doubt that she was too drunk to consent? We know that in this country the burden of proof is incredibly strong, circumstantial evidences is not good enough, it has to be proven.

Was it to do with the fact that she couldn't remember any of it the following day? In which case why was CM found not guilty of rape, as she didn't remember going back to the hotel room or having sex with him either, so her lack of capacity to be able to consent to him must have been exactly the same regardless of the fact that he spent more time with her before they had sex. Or was it something else? The blood alcohol levels indicate she wasn't all that drunk, and obviously there are various other bits of evidence such as CCTV and witness statements of the taxi driver/night porter - but again surely none of that can prove that she was incapable of consent when CE (or CM for that matter) penetrated her. The main evidence for conviction came from CE himself, who said that she did consent.

I said that I said that i thought that CM did rape her, but then as DH pointed out, if I am not 100% sure that they got it right on a not guilty, how can I be 100% sure on a guilty?

Obviously we can't know exactly how the jury came to their verdict but when DH was talking about this last night it did stump me a bit.

This is all you have to worry about: that a poor, ickle wickle rapist wants to play football? FFS.

The jury were furnished with all the facts of the case, and they found him guilty. That's it, really.

I suppose the jury took the view that as CM had met the girl, spent some time in her company and she accompanied him to the hotel it was more difficult to ascertain her lack of consent. She had never met Evans until he appeared uninvited by her in the hotel room.

It's interesting that when women choose to wield some power and make a collective stand, it's always a 'witch hunt' or 'hysterical' or some other sexist descriptor.

This is just a tactic to silence us.

Well actually, no. I am a woman. And I will no longer STFU.

John Farley I have not said people should not discuss, petition or boycott, I have raised a genuine concern about the manner of the discussion on the thread and the speed with which certain posters agreed to boycott a firm on an untrue basis. This does not make me a defender of rapists, nor does it mean I don't think people have the right to protest if they wish. We can't have a grown up discussion about it here though as anyone who doesn't agree with the mob is a defender of rapists or is to quote Zing with cunt.