I don't think it's controversial to say that VW is more prestige that Peugeot, or Ford is more prestige than Vauxhall? sure none are Mercedes, but there clearly still are levels of prestige, (price tags would seem to support this?) and the way in which VW cars tend to hold their value?
(asking can you do it cheaper isn't a bad question, it's one I have to ask myself everyday!)
Essentially it's a computer system issue! not a problem that means the system is broken.
Does that put food on the table then? Does that make it right?
No of course, not, but nor does just proclaiming that the whole system is broken (as some appear to have done in this thread!) what I'm saying is that rather than just shouting it's broken throw it all away and start again, it's probably more beneficial to focus and campaign on that single point. -the problem isn't that "benefits as a whole are broken. (perhaps a thread on how to make cheap meals if you want to talk about putting food on the table?)
I can't see anyone who purports to receive benefits showing that they feel any empathy for anyone working struggling to survive and paying tax to provide the very welfare system that they are reliant on.
That's because they are too busy trying to make ends meet, get a job, feed their kids and defend themselves against ignorant people like you.
Funny, I can be busy working, and struggling to make ends meet, struggling to feed family, struggling under crippling debt repayments, and still show empathy and still ask questions. (should I not ask questions? - I was always told that the stupid questions were the ones that weren't asked? now you seem to suggest it's ignorant to ask questions?)
Is it just maybe impossible to have this conversation and expect mutual respect and understanding from both sides? (admittedly perhaps I didn't show enough, and clearly haven't read all posts properly.)
Plus actually that comment assumes that those in receipt of benefits have never worked, never struggled, never paid tax.
No, it doesn't. the really stupid thing about any arguments like this is that most people (myself included) earn so little that they will always take out more from the state system than they put in...
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8417205.stm
There's a link that talks about tax: and one that actually shows the tax breakdown...
<a class="break-all" href="http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121106103415/www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_tax/table2-4.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121106103415/www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/income_tax/table2-4.pdf
So maybe I shouldn't talk about tax contributions that "I" make in order to fund the welfare system, since (to compare with America where you get an idea of how much medical care costs, I can say that I have not in my life ever paid enough to even cover my birth, (let alone pre-adult dental care vaccinations etc)
(you also get -since someone was talking about torys earlier) that the top 1% have had the least share in the past ten years under torys than they were allowed to get away with under labour. the bottom 5% of the country under labour earned 1.5% of all the money in the country, (or less), under the tory/lib-dem coalition it's been 1.5% or more, the rich, (top 1%, top5% or top 10% pay a greater percentage of the total tax bill than they have ever paid before.)
The point I'm clumsily trying to make is:
That it's a huge struggle for everyone.
That it's not a situation that I've been in (nor onee that I'd want to be in), so I can only know what I'm told, and only find out more by asking questions.
That sometimes you find out surprising things. -like this coalition government haven't cut taxes for the rich they (the rich) pay a greater percentage than ever before... (and I "the poor" pay less tax).