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To ask what's the beef with benefits?

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mytartanscarf · 04/01/2015 14:33

Do people think they are too little? That they should be more?

There's always a lot of upset on here about them - about how wrong the government are and how awful life is on benefits. I've never been on benefits so obviously can't judge. But what are the solutions?

I suppose I am asking what should the government do?

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EatShitDerek · 05/01/2015 21:36

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LuisSuarezTeeth · 05/01/2015 21:43

Well said Lefty

notauniquename · 05/01/2015 21:45

I should have added that because you have 40 hours one week, your claim is re-assessed making the assumption that you earn that every week. Which with zero-hours contracts is uncertain. Consequently you are left with not enough to pay your bills.

The system cannot cope with variable pay.

Of course it's fair and right to pay your way - no need to be so bloody patronising hmm

The same is true of lots of government systems, not least JSA, CSA... if you're self employed the same is true of the tax bill that you get halfway through the year (it's based on a previous years earnings and bears no resemblance to your current earnings... the PAYE system that almost every employed person uses to pay tax is based on what you earn there and then and not over the year (even though tax contributions are collected over a year - this is why some lucky people get tax rebates) it doesn't mean that the system isn't fit for purpose or that people should be paid more, it means that the system is slow to update, and needs to be more dynamic.
(would you rather that an arbirtay middle value was paid, or a bottom value, and then you end up working too many weeks and having attachment to earning and getting money reclaimed?)
Essentially it's a computer system issue! not a problem that means the system is broken.

LuisSuarezTeeth Mon 05-Jan-15 18:50:42

But there are a few people on here who are saying that they are pretty much consciously making a choice to have a hard life on benefits, and then saying that they want more.

Who?
The poster who said that if they were to work that after child care costs they'd be no better off and so don't work, this is a person that chooses to live on benefits, not because they can't work. but because they won't work.

RE wheel chairs vs pushchairs, I misread. (sorry)
however, you're talking about 7 seater cars? do you really need such a huge car? does it need to be a new car? does it have to be a more prestige badge?
You talk about Ford Galaxy or Volks wagon Sharan, the Vaxhall Zafira is definitely available as a mobility car as I've got a friend who has one under the DLA scheme. (that's a 7 seat MPV also)

What do you suggest I do? Strap a 9 year old to my back?
no, I don't suggest you strap a nine year old to your back because that would be stupid.
I suggest an older car that you can afford better instead of a brand new car. If I can drive a car that wasn't made inside of this millennium, why can't you be happy with a car 5 - 10 years old?,
I fail to understand why you need a brand new car? (this again comes back to what I said about need vs. want. you NEED a big seater car, you WANT a "higher brand" one, you WANT a new one, and you WANT it on a finance deal supported by a government scheme.)

Regards opinions, that's all your stories about a mobility car are! the only thing that can be said to be "hard facts" are the quotes earlier about JSA sanctions that are verifiable based on the MP's that have raised the issue.
your story about how you can't get a mobility 7 seat MPV that you want, is just an anecdote. just as every other posters story about their mate who got this, or the time that the power when out after their allowance was cut is just an anecdote.
The very fact that newspapers have reported on abuse of benefits, and that there are government statistics regarding it does prove as fact that it does happen. Same as news papers report on the way that some benefit claimants are very hard done by.
the benefits Britain/street, too fat to work etc shows are not representative, however they aren't made up either!

It's not an empathy bypass to try to point out that there are people on benefits who get benefits that they don't need. (and that is why people who work complain).
but at the same time there are people who get nowhere near enough.

The thread is asking what's the beef, I tried to be fair in my post. and tried to look at it from both sides of the argument.
I can't see anyone who purports to receive benefits showing that they feel any empathy for anyone working struggling to survive and paying tax to provide the very welfare system that they are reliant on.

BerniceBroadside · 05/01/2015 21:46

Rufus, sorry hope you don't think I was complaining about free prescriptions. I was just musing on it. Suppose if you've paid for it you're more likely to fetch it even if you feel better and no longer need the medication.

To be honest, having mused on it a bit more, GPs probably need to review medications a bit more often so you don't end up with people getting things on prescription for years that they don't actually need. Reckon that would save more than Mrs Bloggs not fetching her cough mixture in a timely fashion.

Koalafications · 05/01/2015 21:52

Koala they've had an empathy bypass.

Is that the polite way of saying someone is a prick? Grin

I just don't get it. Isn't the great thing about being a wealthy country that we are able to support our people in their time of need?

LeftyLoony · 05/01/2015 21:55

An older car would cost more money to run.
Unless anyone knows how to service, insure, tax and breakdown cover for less?

Oh, and the Zafira has a bench seat unable to support the type of car seats required for my children. Again due to their disabilities.

It's very difficult to actually get a vehicle that is not appropriate for your needs under the grant scheme, by the way. If you're self funding then it's nobody's business tbh but there's no way I'd spend a massive deposit on something that's going to go back - we can't justify that financially.

LeftyLoony · 05/01/2015 21:56

Oh and actually I couldn't care less about having a cheaper one - if one was available that suited the kids' needs!

LeftyLoony · 05/01/2015 21:57

AND regardless of vehicle it still only costs the sainted taxpayer the same as a microcar every week!

EatShitDerek · 05/01/2015 21:59

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RufusTheReindeer · 05/01/2015 21:59

bernice

It was hands comments that were annoying to be honest

Not yours Smile

All children's prescriptions are free (I think) so by hands theory it would be all those pesky kids...and older people...and people who get free prescriptions for medical reasons...and people on benefits

LuisSuarezTeeth · 05/01/2015 22:01

Essentially it's a computer system issue! not a problem that means the system is broken.

Does that put food on the table then? Does that make it right?

LeftyLoony · 05/01/2015 22:02

Oh and the current car is a Citroen, by the way.
Prestige? Purlease. If I wanted a porsche, mercedes or bentley sure. But Ford, VW, Citroen, very ordinary.

As it happens I'm getting a Focus.

As a reflection, by the way, I can get 1.5 taxi rides to my nearest hospital out of the weekly mobility allowance we get. We've got 3 hospital appointments next week. So we go for the most cost effective option.

LeftyLoony · 05/01/2015 22:03

Yeah but Bernice my understanding is you pay on collection - I know plenty of people who drop the script in then pick it up another day! Got nothing to do with free!

LuisSuarezTeeth · 05/01/2015 22:04

I can't see anyone who purports to receive benefits showing that they feel any empathy for anyone working struggling to survive and paying tax to provide the very welfare system that they are reliant on.

That's because they are too busy trying to make ends meet, get a job, feed their kids and defend themselves against ignorant people like you.

LeftyLoony · 05/01/2015 22:05

And working 22 hours a day within their own homes caring for disabled kids at the moment.

School tomorrow can't come soon enough.

AshesOfRoses · 05/01/2015 22:06

r.e cars and SN pushchairs, the McClaren Major is stupidly long and I could only find a few which had the boot space to accommodate it.

LeftyLoony · 05/01/2015 22:07

Plus actually that comment assumes that those in receipt of benefits have never worked, never struggled, never paid tax.

Up until five years ago I had spent 16 years in work, 5 more for DH, paying tax. Me at higher rate for a few years. Circumstances dictate that for the moment we can't. Doesn't mean we won't in future.

LeftyLoony · 05/01/2015 22:08

I know Ashes, hence the Citroen.
Mind you even that's easier than 2 invacare paediatrics! They've got 22 inch wheels!

AshesOfRoses · 05/01/2015 22:11

Shit, Lefty...

Flowers
BerniceBroadside · 05/01/2015 22:17

LeftyLoony, I must look like a dodgy, wasteful git then as I always have to pay when leaving a prescription! (Well I don't now as I have a pre-payment card, but I still have to show it beforehand.)

On the subject of being on benefits or a low income I would simply like to comment that it's always shit not having much money. Always. Money doesn't buy happiness, but it sure as hell buys food and shelter.

Can we stop vilifying the poor now and focus our wrath on the bloody Tories and their one percenter mates?

HelenaDove · 05/01/2015 22:20

Rufus Check out handcreams comments on the thread "NHS in a state."

Dawndonnaagain · 05/01/2015 22:21

notaunique First of all, welcome.
Now, I suggest you read the thread again. It may look good to you taking all sorts of bits out of context but actually, it just doesn't work.
I am aware that others don't have the odd glass of wine.
I am aware that there are very, very few people that put in the hours that I do, that Luis, Derek and Lefty do. We probably put in more hours than you do on a weekly basis. We don't have holidays, breaks, days off. We don't get a great deal of support. Your posts are long, a tad incomprehensible, unsympathetic and downright rude in parts.
I am sorry you appear to think that carer's are greedy, not entitled to breaks and shouldn't (albeit for very, very short periods of time) put themselves first on occasion.
I am sorry you have an inability to comprehend the (really very basic) ins and outs of the mobility scheme, points such as how incredibly important it is to have access to 100% reliable transport (the odds are higher with a new car, it really isn't greed) and the lifestyle choices we have made in regard to looking after our disabled families.

LeftyLoony · 05/01/2015 22:21

Of course we can't Bernice. They're our saviours dontcha know. Will stop these entitled parasites from having any kind of life!

(on the payment of scripts maybe that's just my local pharmacy. They are a bit strange)

LeftyLoony · 05/01/2015 22:23

Hang on DawnDonna. I get a week in a tent. Ok the kids come too so I have to make sure they don't trash the campsite Grin

Dawndonnaagain · 05/01/2015 22:24

As a reflection, by the way, I can get 1.5 taxi rides to my nearest hospital out of the weekly mobility allowance we get. We've got 3 hospital appointments next week. So we go for the most cost effective option.

Yeah, we're rural and the nearest hospital is 25 miles away. £60 round trip, so we too get just under the 1.5 taxi trips.

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