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My adoptive father is a twunt. AIBU to politely tell him why?

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Nancery · 29/12/2014 21:52

Sorry if this ends up long. I've written posts (not about this) before and tried to keep it short but managed to leave out important details in the process!

My mother remarried when I was 4 and her new husband adopted me. Then, they do divorced extremely acrimoniously - it became increasingly acrimonious, both were ridiculous about things to the expense of me and my sister, who was born when I was 6 - and we eventually lost contact with AD (adopted dad) when I was about 18. Can go into why if necessary but trying to keep things short!

Four yrs ago my sister makes contact with him and I subsequently, 18 months later, pop into their new house which is about 50 miles from where we live now. He has stopped drinking, and seems far mellower and me and DH start to see them semi regularly and enjoy our time together. He and his partner also helped us finish the renovations in our house as we had a very tight deadline due to the arrival of DS! He could be a brat - he once stomped off in a strop because my DH wasn't decorating the front room in the order he thought it should be done in, for example, but nothing too awful or hard to brush off.

However... We had travelled to their house the night before (they moved south about 18 months ago, so aren't semi local any more) as we were picking up a sofa they had going spare. My DS was 21months at the time and didn't get to bed that night till gone 9, so was shattered.

The next day my DH was working from their house - we had to go during the week as AD wanted the sofa picking up ASAP or it was 'going on EBay' - so my AD and his partner L decided we were having a trip out to a wildlife / duck place nearby. DS fell asleep in the car on the way there, and I said I wasn't going to wake him up because he was so tired, so AD and his partner went to the wildlife centre alone.
I thought they were going to go and have lunch or something but they clearly hadn't because then they came out 45 minutes later and insisted I woke up DS, and subsequently made a lot of noise so he did. In the cafe it took a while for DS to come round, and he was clingy and grumpy. AD was sat twitching and complaining that myself, and more so DS, were taking too long, in his opinion, to eat our lunch. As a consequence, he kept telling us to hurry up, grabbing food off the plates, waving stuff at DS going 'eat this, hurry up' but then eating it himself (so it had gone) and generally complaining that he didn't want to sit there a moment longer. He also kept winding DS up because he kept saying 'no' to everything (he was 2!) like 'do you want some sandwich?' 'Do you want some fruit?' Do you want some cake?' No! Haha, all he says is no! No, no, no!"It was like watching a hyperactive and spoilt child. So, eventually, I chucked a tiny bit of apple at him - I had just bitten it off - and and told him to 'give it a rest'. It hit AD in the eye, I'm guessing the socket not the ball as his eye didn't even water, the only injury, I suspect, was pride.
His partner then muttered that I needed to apologise for throwing it at him, which I didn't really do (I said 'sorry I hit you in the eye, I meant to hit you on the forehead instead') as, frankly, I wasn't the one behaving like a brat. I said they could go on ahead etc but I was not, or rather my DS was not, going to jump to his timetable - although I didn't say that, I just said the first part about going on ahead.

Thankfully, the rest of the day had no further 'incidents' although it was a bit like walking on eggshells, and we looked around the wildlife / duck place (they've been numerous times before) apart from at the end where they wanted to stay to watch the wildlife being fed but, as it was 4.30, I said I wanted to get DS home which was half an hour away. This was ignored so me and DS waited an hour in the gift shop so they could watch the birds being fed and listen to the keeper talk about them. This pissed me off but I said nothing.

We all left the subsequent day and it seemed relatively ok (although he did turn the hot water off so DH couldn't have a shower, and AD seemed to spend quite a lot of time at the bottom of the garden looking grumpy), and they waved us off quite jovially etc.

Week later, we sent a card saying thank you very much, and heard nothing. On DS's 2nd birthday, they sent a card but that was it. I suspect this was to provoke some kind of response, which I think is disgusting behaviour and I also didn't rise to the bait. I had had no contact at all for six months (I became reluctant to contact them as was pissed off re the lack of present, point making, re DS and I also don't think I've been that out of order.) I then got, surprisingly, £40 in a card for my 40th (Sept) which made me wonder if they had thawed out about everything (which any normal rational adult surely wouldn't create into such a big deal?) but then, at Christmas, I get an email from his partner saying that AD has sent some DVDs for DS.

Three cheap nursery rhymes DVDs turned up today. It's not the fact he hasn't spent much money, if he had spent the same amount of money on something very thoughtful, or relevant or something that DS would've wanted or needed I'd possibly be more be more touched than I would've been if it was something expensive, as expensive extravagant things are often easier to get right than smaller gifts. (BTW, they are not remotely short of cash) It's the fact that absolutely no thought or effort has gone in, and it was clearly ordered in response to them getting the box of chocolates we sent them at Christmas - sent as we thought we'd try and be the grown ups.

I absolutely refuse to have my DS used as a tool to 'make a point' and I also will NOT have him exposed to someone who is capable of using a child like this. I don't think you can want to play doting grandad whenever you feel like it and that's it. Also, I cannot fathom what else he decided to take such umbrage about, not that I think, considering, it's that terrible anyway, but surely it's about me not DS?

Am upset about this but, most of all, fucking angry.

There's a lot more I could add but this has probably gone on too long anyway - thanks for reading, it's been therapeutic to write!

OP posts:
emotionsecho · 30/12/2014 08:49

What twuntishness do you want to politely tell him about?

The day out at the Wildlife Park
The inconsistent present and card sending
The standard of gifts
His behaviour during your childhood and the cutting of contact after the acrimonious divorce from your mum

I think you have a lot of mixed emotions and unresolved issues with your AD and think you need to decide whether you want to confront them either with him, or on your own through counselling.

youareallbonkers · 30/12/2014 09:12

How is it relevant he's your adoptive dad? Surely he is just your dad

Purplepoodle · 30/12/2014 09:13

Parents can be inflexible with young children. My own dad really struggled with the arrival of his first dgc - took him 3 years and much pushing to get him to be a little flexible. The whole park thing us that you had a bad day - you both acted oddly for adults, you could have put ds in a buggy and had a nice cuppa with ad and partner. He shouldn't have been childish but you shouldn't have spat apple at him - grim.

Did you ring your ad to thank him for your 40 th birthday present? They sent a card to ds which was nice bit grabby to expect presents esp if you have gone nc.

Madmum24 · 30/12/2014 09:13

I got as far as the bit where you threw the piece of apple at him and for that alone YABU.

SanityClause · 30/12/2014 09:29

You can't just "put all that behind you" with him, because the past colours the present. You can't just pretend it didn't happen.

I think you are looking for reasons to be angry with him, because you are still angry with him about the past. When he does something a bit inconsiderate, you feel irrationally angry about it, because you are still angry about he way he treated you as a child.

I reiterate - get some counselling to deal with your past, but more than that, speak to the counsellor for coping mechanisms for the present.

MissPenelopeLumawoo2 · 30/12/2014 09:54

I had a few grumpy days out with the children with my Dad when he was alive, and he never, ever got involved with buying presents for any of them, he would not have had a clue. I don't hold any of it against him because he was my Dad, and most importantly, he was a good Dad for my childhood and we had a close relationship. That is why all these little details when he behaved liked a grump puss could easily be forgiven, and vice versa for him to forgive me on my grumpy days.

The problem here is your past. You are trying to forge a relationship as adults based on a very shaky relationship when you were a child. Is there also a part of you that wants him to 'make it up to you' via your son? You seem to want him to be Ace Grandpa no.1 when in fact he wasn't even a z-list Dad, according to your post.

How does your sister get on with him? Does she have similar issues?

I would just keep everything simple and not get too involved with him for now. Don't expect too much, and certainly not that he can suddenly undo the hurt you feel from your past. YAB a bit U to be so angry about these specific issues mentioned in our OP, but with the wider backstory I can see why.

SunshineAndShadows · 30/12/2014 09:56

I agree with previous posters - the level of detail and dwelling on a day out that happened months ago is unhealthy. You need to decide if you want to move forward with your relationship with your dad and therefore take his gifts etc at face value. Or continue this exhausting obsessive analysis of every action as 'thoughtless' or 'point-scoring' just to validate your own anger.

It's perfectly reasonable to be angry with regard to his actions in your childhood. But it does sound like he is trying to overcome his own demons and connect with you. He's spent time, labour and money on gifts, decorating, days out etc to try and build a relationship with you and your son. Even if he doesn't get it right, he's trying.

I know it may not be the case but is it possible he's ASD? It may go someway to explaining his inability to be flexible.

How's his relationship with your sister? What's her take on this?

The chances are he will never be the ideal Dad or Granddad that you want. He is a flawed human being. It's just a question of whether the flaws are worth it.

Yarp · 30/12/2014 10:09

Agree with MissPenelope.

You didn't cover yourself in glory with the apple, but I think that people focussing on that alone are missing the point - it is evidence, to me that you ned to disengage from him now.

fwiw, he sounds as if he lacks the emotional maturity to be the father you would want him to be.

DoJo · 30/12/2014 11:53

It sounds to me like the two of you clash, in much the same way that any relations can. He thinks you're rigid, you think he's inflexible, you both seem to 'count' contact and work out who 'owes' who, which is never healthy.

If you don't get on with him and he causes you more stress than happiness, then why maintain a relationship with him? It doesn't sound like you can forgive him for the past (rightly or wrongly - hard to say from an outsider's perspective) and everything he does will always be measured against a backdrop of your memories of his alcoholism.

Would you be happier letting the relationship drop, or revert to polite distance rather than irritating proximity?

PhaedraIsMyName · 30/12/2014 14:15

How is it relevant he's your adoptive dad? Surely he is just your dad

I think it's 100% for the OP to decide whether he is her "dad" or her "adoptive dad" . He's not her biological father; he's the man who married her mother and (setting aside any criticisms one might make of OP's recent behaviour) doesn't seem to have been terribly good husband or father.

hmc · 30/12/2014 18:35

He raised her from age 4 and chose to adopt her. He is her dad!

meandjulio · 30/12/2014 18:48

I think Sanity has the clearest advice. Anyone who meets my dad thinks he is lovely and can't see why we all seem so tense around him, drop in for 30 minutes every six months, won't have him for Christmas etc. He is lovely, as well. He's also a nightmare and that all comes from years and years and years of problems we all try not to think about any more until we can no longer act normally or like adults. [books counselling]

mynewpassion · 30/12/2014 18:51

You both seem like hard work. You have no moral high ground than he does.

So say nothing.

GokTwo · 30/12/2014 18:52

I can totally understand that you hold resentment from his actions during your childhood. My DW had the most toxic childhood you can imagine (my ex p suffered almost as badly with her parents) so I'm well aware that you can't just act like none of that happened.
The thing is most of your post isn't about his behaviour when you were younger, you talk about his behaviour since you reconciled and aside from that being a bit irritating I think he sounds ok. Believe me neither of my own brothers have ever sent me a birthday present via Amazon or otherwise so I think the fact that he searched for it and sent it was nice.

It's understandable that you have conflicting feelings about him but if you want to know if he sounds like a twunt and someone not worth bothering with my answer is no he doesn't. He sounds like he's d

GokTwo · 30/12/2014 18:52

Sorry, that was meant to say doing his best.

PhaedraIsMyName · 30/12/2014 18:58

He raised her from age 4 and chose to adopt her. He is her dad!

If you say so. We see many posters here quite rightly saying that they consider someone other than their biological father to be their real father as that person acted like a father.

This man might legally be her father but he doesn't seem to have done a terribly good job of it according to OP.

It is no business of anyone here if OP continues to make the distinction that he is her "adoptive father".

ispentitwithyou · 30/12/2014 22:55

Was the birthday before your ds' first birthday? In my experience '1st birthday' presents are usually mire extravagant than 2nd

ispentitwithyou · 30/12/2014 22:56

More*

Fuckmath · 30/12/2014 23:05

Yabu

You just sound awkward and petty. Not really sure what your problem is but how can you say you weren't acting like a brat when you spit an apple at someone. Gross!

Bulbasaur · 30/12/2014 23:07

He raised her from age 4 and chose to adopt her. He is her dad!

If he was her biological father, the OP could rightfully call him a sperm donor, as my friend often calls her bio father.

Just because you legally have a child on paper doesn't make you a mother or father.

caroldecker · 30/12/2014 23:41

OP - you appear to be bonkers - AD is well rid

Italiangreyhound · 31/12/2014 00:52

There is nothing wrong in Nancery choosing to call him her adopted dad. That is true. I have adopted a little boy and I am his mum, but legally, technically, I am his adoptive mum. If at some point in the future he chooses to use that term it will be his choice. For the time being he calls me mum and I would call myself nothing but mum or mummy to him. But Op has a very long back history with this man which has involved lots of sadness and he has not really behaved like a father for quite a considerable bit of time.

I think lots of people are focusing on the apple as if it is he be all and end all! It's not.

I think all the people saying this is about a lot more than gifts and a day out are totally right and I do think counselling would help you. But please do not take to heart any cruel comments because I sometimes wonder if people just pop on and reply to an original post and have not seen all the stuff in-between (I know I am guilty of having done that in the past and so much changes in a thread as things are revealed). Blush

Look after you, OP. Wink

PhaedraIsMyName · 31/12/2014 00:56

ItalianGreyhound What a nice, sensible post.

MardyBra · 31/12/2014 08:55

Agree Phaedra. Unlike carol's little piece of vitriol above.

Italiangreyhound · 31/12/2014 12:48

Thank you PhaedraIsMyName and Mardybra (great name mardybra!)

I did used to pop onto threads and say stuff based on original post but now I have more time on my hands (!) I am reading more.

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