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My adoptive father is a twunt. AIBU to politely tell him why?

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Nancery · 29/12/2014 21:52

Sorry if this ends up long. I've written posts (not about this) before and tried to keep it short but managed to leave out important details in the process!

My mother remarried when I was 4 and her new husband adopted me. Then, they do divorced extremely acrimoniously - it became increasingly acrimonious, both were ridiculous about things to the expense of me and my sister, who was born when I was 6 - and we eventually lost contact with AD (adopted dad) when I was about 18. Can go into why if necessary but trying to keep things short!

Four yrs ago my sister makes contact with him and I subsequently, 18 months later, pop into their new house which is about 50 miles from where we live now. He has stopped drinking, and seems far mellower and me and DH start to see them semi regularly and enjoy our time together. He and his partner also helped us finish the renovations in our house as we had a very tight deadline due to the arrival of DS! He could be a brat - he once stomped off in a strop because my DH wasn't decorating the front room in the order he thought it should be done in, for example, but nothing too awful or hard to brush off.

However... We had travelled to their house the night before (they moved south about 18 months ago, so aren't semi local any more) as we were picking up a sofa they had going spare. My DS was 21months at the time and didn't get to bed that night till gone 9, so was shattered.

The next day my DH was working from their house - we had to go during the week as AD wanted the sofa picking up ASAP or it was 'going on EBay' - so my AD and his partner L decided we were having a trip out to a wildlife / duck place nearby. DS fell asleep in the car on the way there, and I said I wasn't going to wake him up because he was so tired, so AD and his partner went to the wildlife centre alone.
I thought they were going to go and have lunch or something but they clearly hadn't because then they came out 45 minutes later and insisted I woke up DS, and subsequently made a lot of noise so he did. In the cafe it took a while for DS to come round, and he was clingy and grumpy. AD was sat twitching and complaining that myself, and more so DS, were taking too long, in his opinion, to eat our lunch. As a consequence, he kept telling us to hurry up, grabbing food off the plates, waving stuff at DS going 'eat this, hurry up' but then eating it himself (so it had gone) and generally complaining that he didn't want to sit there a moment longer. He also kept winding DS up because he kept saying 'no' to everything (he was 2!) like 'do you want some sandwich?' 'Do you want some fruit?' Do you want some cake?' No! Haha, all he says is no! No, no, no!"It was like watching a hyperactive and spoilt child. So, eventually, I chucked a tiny bit of apple at him - I had just bitten it off - and and told him to 'give it a rest'. It hit AD in the eye, I'm guessing the socket not the ball as his eye didn't even water, the only injury, I suspect, was pride.
His partner then muttered that I needed to apologise for throwing it at him, which I didn't really do (I said 'sorry I hit you in the eye, I meant to hit you on the forehead instead') as, frankly, I wasn't the one behaving like a brat. I said they could go on ahead etc but I was not, or rather my DS was not, going to jump to his timetable - although I didn't say that, I just said the first part about going on ahead.

Thankfully, the rest of the day had no further 'incidents' although it was a bit like walking on eggshells, and we looked around the wildlife / duck place (they've been numerous times before) apart from at the end where they wanted to stay to watch the wildlife being fed but, as it was 4.30, I said I wanted to get DS home which was half an hour away. This was ignored so me and DS waited an hour in the gift shop so they could watch the birds being fed and listen to the keeper talk about them. This pissed me off but I said nothing.

We all left the subsequent day and it seemed relatively ok (although he did turn the hot water off so DH couldn't have a shower, and AD seemed to spend quite a lot of time at the bottom of the garden looking grumpy), and they waved us off quite jovially etc.

Week later, we sent a card saying thank you very much, and heard nothing. On DS's 2nd birthday, they sent a card but that was it. I suspect this was to provoke some kind of response, which I think is disgusting behaviour and I also didn't rise to the bait. I had had no contact at all for six months (I became reluctant to contact them as was pissed off re the lack of present, point making, re DS and I also don't think I've been that out of order.) I then got, surprisingly, £40 in a card for my 40th (Sept) which made me wonder if they had thawed out about everything (which any normal rational adult surely wouldn't create into such a big deal?) but then, at Christmas, I get an email from his partner saying that AD has sent some DVDs for DS.

Three cheap nursery rhymes DVDs turned up today. It's not the fact he hasn't spent much money, if he had spent the same amount of money on something very thoughtful, or relevant or something that DS would've wanted or needed I'd possibly be more be more touched than I would've been if it was something expensive, as expensive extravagant things are often easier to get right than smaller gifts. (BTW, they are not remotely short of cash) It's the fact that absolutely no thought or effort has gone in, and it was clearly ordered in response to them getting the box of chocolates we sent them at Christmas - sent as we thought we'd try and be the grown ups.

I absolutely refuse to have my DS used as a tool to 'make a point' and I also will NOT have him exposed to someone who is capable of using a child like this. I don't think you can want to play doting grandad whenever you feel like it and that's it. Also, I cannot fathom what else he decided to take such umbrage about, not that I think, considering, it's that terrible anyway, but surely it's about me not DS?

Am upset about this but, most of all, fucking angry.

There's a lot more I could add but this has probably gone on too long anyway - thanks for reading, it's been therapeutic to write!

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Gumblossom · 29/12/2014 22:38

Mountain:molehill.

Seriously, you think your AD is being unreasonable? I think your expectations are way too high. How about being grateful for having a relationship with him and stop being petty over presents that aren't good enough.

You are BU.

Waltermittythesequel · 29/12/2014 22:44

???

You bit off a piece of apple and threw it at him? That's fucking gross.

Is your ds your first? Because your posts smack of only-child-on-the-planet to me.

And nursery rhyme DVDs sound fine for a two year old!

drudgetrudy · 29/12/2014 22:49

Some of his behaviour is not ideal but your responses sound immature and likely to make things worse.

PenelopePitstops · 29/12/2014 22:54

The more you say, the worse you sound.

He has done some relatively minor things and you are blowing them up out of all proportion. This says more about you than it does about him.

Dawndonnaagain · 29/12/2014 22:56

You all sound pretty childish to me.

PuppyMonkey · 29/12/2014 23:03

I am very childish I know but I can't stop chortling at "wildlife/duck place. "

Bulbasaur · 29/12/2014 23:05

It sounds like you still have issues around your rocky relationship as a child with him. If you don't like someone, anything they do will annoy you.

He was being difficult at the cafe, but so were you by throwing food at him.

If you don't like him, I'd just cut contact. You're an adult, you don't need a parent in your life that's just going to cause agitation.

Nancery · 29/12/2014 23:07

Thank you Balbasaur

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TooHasty · 29/12/2014 23:07

They helped you renovate your house, gave you a sofa , took you out to a duck place(which you then wouldn't even wake him up to see) gives you £40 for your birthday and what do you do? Throw spat out apple at him and moan that your DS's present isn't good enough?
What a brat you are!

Icimoi · 29/12/2014 23:10

You do seem to have assumed more than once that your child''s naps should always trump other people's arrangements, so it's a bit rich accusing AD of being rigid.

GokTwo · 29/12/2014 23:11

Sorry, I don't understand why you are annoyed with him. He sounds as if, aside from the odd irritating moment, as if he has tried to help you and make a connection with your DS. The food throwing thing is really bizarre! I'm very surprised you think that was justified or appropriate. Your complaint about the gift is incredibly unfair. It actually takes quite a lot of effort to parcel a pressie up and send it to someone so they clearly were making the effort.

I agree with others you seem to expect an enormous amount from him. I have a fantastic relationship with my dad but he has some incredibly annoying "ways" that drive me mad! No doubt he sometimes feels the same way about me! Nobody is perfect but from your post your AD does sound like he is trying to do the right things.

Nancery · 29/12/2014 23:19

The DVDs weren't wrapped up and sent, they came direct. Not much effort to click 'buy' on Amazon. By contrast, the previous year, he had asked and knew (and likewise), which is why, especially as it was ordered on the 26th, this seems an afterthought.

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Nancery · 29/12/2014 23:22

It's not that I think the naps of my DS are more important, I said to them to go on ahead and not to wait, although I do think a toddlers requirements are
less flexible than an adults. Also, if he had not slept he'd gave been a nightmare

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Bulbasaur · 29/12/2014 23:28

TooHasty I bet they took her to stately homes growing up too.

It's hard to understand the dynamics of a severely dysfunctional family unless you've lived it. I'm willing to bet you don't have alcoholic family members. It's hell, and just because they sober up and play nice doesn't mean everything is magically better.

FIL is trying to turn over a new leaf, but it doesn't mean that because he acts nice every now and then that DH has to forgive him for a life time of mistakes. Being nice after a shitty childhood just doesn't cut it sometimes, nor does it mean she needs to forgive him. He has a lot of making up to do if that's what he's attempting.

In any case, if you're reading this deep into thoughtless gestures you probably still harbor anger as AD. Even if he is trying to turn over a new leaf doesn't mean it's good for him to be around you. For your own sake and frustration, I'd consider distancing yourself from him.

erin99 · 29/12/2014 23:30

Yes but if it's done in return for something you gave, that does show willing and arguably manners.

I honestly think it's a sensible and thoughtful gift for a small child. I struggle to know what to buy for my nephew even though I love him to bits and my own children are only a couple of years older, because I simply don't know what else he has, or is getting. So something like books and dvds, that you can use several of, seem a good choice.

Italiangreyhound · 29/12/2014 23:30

Nancery aside from the throwing a bit of apple at him, which wasn't nice, I can totally see your point and I think you are right to find some of his behaviour difficult.

It seems that his hurtful past behaviour which could amount to such a monumental amount of unhappiness/bad behaviour by your dad etc from childhood cannot just be swept away. Maybe you want him in some way to make up for the hurt of the past (maybe subconsciously?).

I think the way he behaved at the duck place was horrible and insensitive.

I think I would be tempted, in your place, to take small steps. Accept graciously whatever is offered in terms of time, gifts etc but do not allow yourself to be in a position where you are forced to rely on him or be beholden to him. EG No lifts in his car where you cannot leave if you wish to, not him renovating things where there might be a clash over how it is done and who does what. If he has had a problem with alcohol he may well not be able to be flexible.

This is just my humble opinion based on what you have said, I have tried to read all your comments.

It is very hard to pick up as if nothing has happened when a lot has happened. So go slowly. Best of wishes.

fluffling · 29/12/2014 23:31

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Italiangreyhound · 29/12/2014 23:33

Oh cross posted, I agree with Bulbasaur too.

SIMPLESAM · 29/12/2014 23:51

It does seem like your childhood is still clouding over your relationship with your father. I have to hold back the bile while talking to my own dad on Skype but I've lowered my expectations of him so I don't get angry or sad when he acts crappy, more for my own sanity than anything.

Do you think maybe you would benefit from counselling? Your behaviour in these situations don't sound idyllic, but when you're around someone who has caused you pain in the past your walls go up and everything he does winds you up more than you probably want it to.

Moreisnnogedag · 29/12/2014 23:58

Honestly woman, let the wildlife park extravaganza go. It was one day, months ago. You're remembering every tiny detail as if it was last week and getting into this cycle of "no honestly he was worse". You threw a bit of spat out food at someone; you're hardly going to come out of this smelling of roses.

SoonToBeSix · 30/12/2014 00:03

I am shocked you are 40 you come across as very immature. Yabu.

Nancery · 30/12/2014 00:08

flufflng it's because a) they were ordered after our package arrived and b) last year, pre apple, he asked what would be good and I gave suggestions. He ended up buying the most expensive. I don't want, or expect, that again but this year is very different.

italiangreyhound thank you x

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erin99 · 30/12/2014 00:38

But there's nothing massively personal about buying from a list either really, is there? That's like saying Great Aunty Mabel gave you a fantastically thoughtful wedding gift because she bought the teapot off your JL giftlist.

As Bulbasaur, Greyhound and others say, this is all about the history. That's why there is so much detail about one day 2 years ago in your OP. I'm afraid I don't have any answers but you need to consider your relationship with him directly, and not through some sort weird prism of what gifts he chose for a small child. Some people are lovely but just rubbish at presents, even the best chooser make the odd bad choice, and how would you feel if he took massive umbrage at the chocolates you gave to him? The gift was fine; look elsewhere.

MistressDeeCee · 30/12/2014 00:38

I think the most annoying part is how he behaved towards your DS on the outing day. That was wrong.

I "get" the backstory but you were back in contact with him so Im not sure why its all relevant again now...you could simply choose not to be in contact.

Re. your DS I actually don't see why he couldn't be woken to see the animals with you all? What the worst that would/could have happened? You seem to mention your DS a lot..we love our children but really, can't expect everybody else's time/day, particularly at an outing, to revolve around our DCs. Life just doesn't work like that.

I also feel you are upset about the DVDs being a cheap present which really is not on - even if they do have money to spare they can spend it as they see fit, and when it comes to presents its the thought that counts. That part comes across as a bit grabby tbh. & he was quite thoughtful on your birthday.

It may be that your AD is inflexible - but, so are you. It would be best if you just take time out and apologise to each other, sometimes situations escalate and get out of hand which is a real shame when it could have been sorted out with a bit of communication from both sides.

Then again I also sense you feel AD doesn't like your son. You would know more about why you may possibly feel like that..and if you do feel like that then you could be right. Then again he may just be irritated by the "PFB" thing..who knows..but your situation does sound as if it could be sorted out with a bit of time and care.

cerealqueen · 30/12/2014 00:49

Cut him some slack, this is all excessive to the point of obsessive about nothing really. Maybe they have stuff going on you aren't aware of.

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