Just gave away a puppy (new owner did not pay)

[maggieandannie]

My shitz-zu had a beautiful litter, the puppies are shitz-zu schnauzer crosses. I have found all of them great homes, I did not advertise it was through friends and people through work. So I have a link to each and every pup!

I know a lovely lady from dog walking, and since my dog was pregnant she let me know her sister would love one.

I reserved a boy for her sister and when puppies were 4 weeks old she picked her little boy. Her sister asked was I charging and I said yes I am charging and would offer her sister a discount so pup would be £100.00; told me she would let her sister know.


Fast forward to yesterday she picked up her puppy and left me a present, a gorgeous box and inside of the box was a bottle of very expenisive gin/soda and a lemon and a card. I thought how nice what a lovely lady! I opened the card and there was no payment.

I want to send her sister a text, letting her know how grateful I am for the present (I did include a puppy pack for this lady, with blanket, teddy, vet details, groomer details, and a bottle of Prosecco), however I was charging.

Would I be unreasonable asking for my money, I feel embarrassed to have to ask her.

Please help

[aderynlas]

Im glad you have good homes for all your puppies op. The rescue centres are full of dogs and pups wanting a new owner , so maybe it wouldnt be a good idea to have another litter.

[maggieandannie]

This has gone off topic. £100 was the most I asked for. I really and truly did enjoy the whole experience. All of the 7 people who took a puppy were, a friend who lost her mother (free), a colleague (£100), my boss (£100), my neighbours (£100) an addition to their family, my cousin (£100), the lady who is the subject of this topic, and a family friend £100, the remaining 2 puppies, I have kept one and my sister the other. So I did not make a lot of money and yes all costs covered.

I did mention up thread that my sister has a stud dog, she breeds miniature schnauzers and that I always had dogs. Yes it was an accident (a happy accident) and I believe I behaved responsibly, and my sister has a lot of knowledge regarding breeding and schnauzers. Before anyone else shouts and screams the thread was just about wibu asking for payment.

I really really appreciate all of the help from mumsnetters today.

[maggieandannie]

PS I would not dream of another litter for 18 months to 2 years (if I do decide to do so)

[fluffymouse]

Op I would wait to see how things turn out with these puppies homes before having another litter. Mixed breeds are very undervalued, and sadly I wouldn't be surprised if you have at least one of the dogs returned to you/disappear.

We didn't breed from our mixed breed for this reason. She is spayed.

[maggieandannie]

I am more than happy - I told everyone - that I am willing to take a puppy back. I have the space and the time.

[fluffymouse]

Maggie, my friend did the same. Two dogs came back to her and she rehomed. Another simply disappeared, despite it going to a colleague. She has no idea what happened to this dog, or whether it is even alive. This is out of a litter of 6. It is very early days now, I am just warning you what could happen.

Sadly when people don't pay much for a dog they don't value it.

[RustyParker]

What was the discount you offered then op?

[midori1999]

Your dog got pregnant by accident and you believe you behaved responsibly? I'm surprised this could even happen if your sister knows anything at all about dog breeding and if your sister owns a decent stud dog and is responsible, at the first chance of an accidental pregnancy she would want you to prevent it, not least as your bitch isn't health tested.

I'm also amazed you have managed to cover your costs tbh, even without the cost of health tests or stud fee, if you have in fact, done things correctly.

[Vivacia]

I'm confused that you keep telling us how much you enjoyed it, and how much you love dogs. People aren't saying otherwise, they are saying that they don't think you are acting responsibly or in the dog's best interests.

[MidniteScribbler]

You had an 'accident' with dogs that have had no health testing done, gave puppies to homes of people that you hadn't met, have no concept of responsible breeding. FFS OP, desex your poor animal and stop contributing to the pet overpopulation problem. Your sister is obviously not a responsible breeder, as the code of ethics does not allow them to let their dogs be mated with dogs of another breed, and if she's thinking of letting you do it again, then I hope someone reports her to The Kennel Club (unless she's just another backyard breeder, which is most likely).

[landrover]

By the way, to the person that said that mongrels aren't crossbreeds? Eh? What are mongrels then? (they are crossbreeds!!!!)

[landrover]

Also I cannot understand why anybody would breed a litter for the love of it! the whole thing is the most stressful experience I can imagine, then the worry of the homes that the puppies go to and if they will be happy and safe, it is overwhelming!

[HappyYoni]

Op you just said that you will do it again next year, and then said you wouldn't dream of doing it for 18 months/2 years...I'm confused.

[Sallystyle]

Op you just said that you will do it again next year, and then said you wouldn't dream of doing it for 18 months/2 years...I'm confused.

This.

Next year isn't 18mths- two years is it op?

Anyway, glad you had a good outcome.

[WhereDoAllTheCalculatorsGo]

Sadly when people don't pay much for a dog they don't value it

This can't possibly be true, can it? I have three moggies who I love dearly and moggies rarely cost more than £30-£50 just so their owners cover food and vet bills.

[happyandsingle]

You may of enjoyed the experience op but I'm sure as hell your dog didn't. Don't you dare call yourself a dog lover-your a selfish greedy person who is exploiting dogs who have no choice but to be breed by ignorant people like you.
If people want a dog they can rehome one from the shelters where there are many waiting for a home. I really encourage everyone to stay away from breeders like op and rehome from a shelter instead.
It's so more rewarding.

[raltheraffe]

I am not too keen on the word accident as it implies you are not taking responsibility for this.

When my Weimaraner had an accident I accepted it was my fault. I naively thought if a male got near her when I was walking her I could just shoe it away by shouting at it. I learnt the hard way that male dogs can be incredibly persistent in this type of situation.

So I paid £70 for her to have an injection which terminated the pregnancy. My Weimaraner was a rescue dog with severe behavioural issues and it was not in her best interests to proceed with the pregnancy (and she would have probably eaten the pups she was so disturbed).

If you want to breed dogs, do it properly. Get a top pedigree dog and only mate it with another top dog and then pay out £100s on the correct vet treatment and screening.

Home check all potential buyers and make sure the home is breed suitable. For example a Border Collie should never go to a home where the owner works long hours as they go neurotic if they are understimulated.

At least you did not sell them free to a good home. I hate those ads on Gumtree, a lot of dogs given away end up as bait for fighting dogs.

[TheWitTank]

When I was walking round Battersea dogs home the other day after picking up our new rescue it was full to the brim of puppies/dogs that people had got fed of of after they:grew too big, were not cute anymore, got too expensive, weed on the floor, couldn't be bothered to walk them. Don't breed anymore. Please. There are literally hundreds of puppies and dogs looking for homes, don't add to the surplus. It's irresponsible and unnecessary.

[MrBisinbother]

raltheraffe, why wasnt your rescue dog spayed before you got her? In Ireland nearly all rescue dogs are spayed/neutured before rehoming.

[saturnvista]

You've got the information you needed, I would hide the thread now OP if I were you. Mumsnet has a terrible case of bossiness when it comes to other people's dogs. You'll never win.

[charlie0123]

Will you do it again next year or not for another 18 months to 2 years op? You said both within the space of a few posts upthread. I'm confused.

[MrBisinbother]

Oh yes i forgot about the rehomed puppies .

[DancingDinosaur]

My rescue dog wasn't spayed when I got her. I did consider breeding with her because she was so utterly adorable, gorgeous and beautiful that I would have loved to have replicas of her (to keep). But she was such an utter pain in the arse when she was in season, and she had loads of phantom pregnancies, that I got her spayed instead. Still sort of wish that I had bred with her, esp now shes gone (died of old age) but it wasn't meant to be.
Anyway, the op has homed her dogs, can't see shes made much profit here really, I prob wouldn't breed with her again though op unless she's a top show dog, or you're planning on keeping the pups yourself.

[PiperIsTerrysChoclateOrange]

I would never spayed Another animal ever again. My kitten who I loved and was perfect got spayed and after that we lost her.
I paid over £600 to save her but sadly we had to let her go.