Just gave away a puppy (new owner did not pay)

[maggieandannie]

My shitz-zu had a beautiful litter, the puppies are shitz-zu schnauzer crosses. I have found all of them great homes, I did not advertise it was through friends and people through work. So I have a link to each and every pup!

I know a lovely lady from dog walking, and since my dog was pregnant she let me know her sister would love one.

I reserved a boy for her sister and when puppies were 4 weeks old she picked her little boy. Her sister asked was I charging and I said yes I am charging and would offer her sister a discount so pup would be £100.00; told me she would let her sister know.


Fast forward to yesterday she picked up her puppy and left me a present, a gorgeous box and inside of the box was a bottle of very expenisive gin/soda and a lemon and a card. I thought how nice what a lovely lady! I opened the card and there was no payment.

I want to send her sister a text, letting her know how grateful I am for the present (I did include a puppy pack for this lady, with blanket, teddy, vet details, groomer details, and a bottle of Prosecco), however I was charging.

Would I be unreasonable asking for my money, I feel embarrassed to have to ask her.

Please help

[kilmuir]

Dear god, use money to get dogs neutered. Yeh yeh they allwent togood homes, but rescue places FULL of unwanted dogs
Do people really pay a lot for a mongrel

[cardamomginger]

You must follow this up and insist on payment. £100 for this dog is an absolute bargain, and it is outrageous that she should think she should get the dog for free. The 'gift' is irrelevant in all of this.

[louisejxxx]

Hope that you get a response and your payment quickly OP!

[Pipbin]

You didn't ask for the gift. She chose to give it to you. You asked for £100. You wouldn't give the waiter a tip but not pay the bill.

[timetoplay]

Hopefully she will honour the price OP, she definitely owes you.

[Ohbollocksandballs]

Has she replied, OP?

[Tinkerball]

Hopefully its just a misunderstanding. Remember it doesnt matter how much the present is worth, it was a gift. Not to be confused by how much she owes you for selling her a dog.

[VetNurse]

You should definately use the money to get your dog neutered. Well done for breeding more mongrels.

[Theorientcalf]

Regardless of Christmas, she hasn't paid you. I hope she wasn't using it being Christmas as a way of getting out of it.

[Lezprechaun]

Have you spoke to this lady directly regarding price? It seems like you've been going through her sister to discuss who is wrong really as she may have no idea how much your expecting and so bought you a present as a thank you.

[maggieandannie]

I texted her a couple of hours ago (could see it has been read) no reply. I am shocked as they (stupid of me) I thought were lovely people. I will wait and see.

[Vivacia]

I think you've done well to send the text. Not sure what you do if they just ignore it.

How old is the puppy? You mention it was allocated at 4 weeks old, but not how old they were yesterday.

[fluffymouse]

Did you make it clear to the lady buying that you were charging?

Yanbu to charge. In fact I think it is a good idea as if the dogs are free then people tend not to attach value to them. I saw this with a very good friend who gave away a letter, only for half of them to he discarded. She too only gave the dogs to contacts who she thought she trusted.

[FrogIsATwatInASantaHat]

I'd be knocking their door. ..

[maggieandannie]

Puppies are just over 8 weeks

[Parcelhamster]

VetNurse why should she? If she has the space and money to care for all the puppies then there is no issue... She's already said that she can take the puppies back if there's problems, so it's hardly contributing to shelter overpopulation. People who are getting them obviously weren't going to get a rescue anyway if they were looking for a puppy someone had bred.

Doesn't matter if they're mongrels so long as they have the parents have their health checks for eyes, elbows, hips, any other genetic diseases common in the breeds etc. and they're bred for a reason. I don't agree that pedigreed, purebred dogs should be the only ones to be bred. You can still get a poorly bred purebred. It's individual and yes, while the vast majority of people who breed mongrels don't bother getting them checked out or take much care of them, you can't assume that everyone who breeds does.

You should be getting annoyed at BYBs, not someone who is capable of affording the consequences of her breeding!

OP does not come across as irresponsible - perhaps a little naive for letting the pups go on Christmas. Then, she has connections to their owners so she may have felt that there was little risk they were going to be unwanted.

Wish everyone would stop bashing OP for making a choice she is entirely capable of making seeing as she has the space, time and money for any resulting offspring.

And just focus on the money rather than the breeding itself.

[lemisscared]

it could, but probably isn't, that the money was in the envelope but had gone missing. That is how I'd approach it. that you are worried the money has gone astray somehow.

[maggieandannie]

thanks parcelhamster. I just love dogs, and would take them back without question as they were all loved, I am keeping a pup and so is my sister. They may be cross breeds, but all gorgeous and wanted and health checked by our vet.

[maggieandannie]

lemisscared that is brilliant!

[Lweji]

I bet she did re-gift the present. (my first thought)

[toboldlygo]

Parcelhamster I see your point but if these dogs have had any kind of health, genetic or temperament testing I will eat my hat.

[maggieandannie]

I said that to my sister that it was a re-gift, as you just do not give someone you are not close friends with a bottle of gin???? or do you.....

[maggieandannie]

I do not want a row, but I love dogs, and my dog was checked during pregnancy the vet number on speed dial during the birth. I took the puppies and mum to the vet the next day. 2 weeks later the vet checked them all out, along with worming etc, and all just fine. Last week each pup was checked ears, hips, eyes etc worming again and the new owners agreed they would get the first vaccinations hence the price (first vaccinations usually between 8-10 weeks).

I have had dogs all my life, and mum is my dog and the schnauzer father is my sisters dog. He is a stud dog and she does know her stuff. Yes my dog was caught out and regarding neutering/spaying that is my business as she is a shitz-zu so I may do this again, as I enjoyed it.

Anyway yes I was an idiot and did assume as it was Christmas that they money was in the envelope.

I am so grateful for all of the help from mumsnet today xx

[cardamomginger]

Really hope you do get this sorted. Perhaps the delay in getting back to you is because your dog walker friend didn't actually tell her sister that there would be a £100 charge and she, the non-paying sister, is having a blazing row with your friend?

The dogs sound absolutely gorgeous - the cross sounds fantastic and I would love to have one! (Have £100 at the ready and can even put together a dodgy gin gift - except mine would include a lime. So much better in a G&T...)

[VivaLeBeaver]

OP hasn't bred mongrels, she's bred cross breed puppies. There's a difference. A mongrel has at least three different breeds I believe.

I don't get the thing about saying its ok to breed pedigree pups but not cross breeds or mongrels. If you're against puppy breeding due to dogs in rehoming centres then pedigree puppies are just as responsible for that as cross breeds.

And as OP says she'd have any puppies back she's not directly causing any such problem.