to think this company are asking for a huge amount for a miniscule salary!?

[Mintyy]

I'm really shocked see here.

When replying, please bear in mind that this is in London.

That's basically my job + sales.. I'd like a bit more but it's not shit.

IMO stipulating 2 years' experience is their method of filtering out school or college leavers. They would rather have someone who can hit the ground running, who basically knows the ropes and can slot in without having to be taught how to behave in corporate life. Saves on training costs. I would probably do that if I were a recruiter.

That said, if someone sent in an application and made a particularly strong case (enthusiasm initiative, willingness to get on) I would put them on the interview list. A letter or email of introduction that shows individuality would be worthy of consideration and would attract my attention.

Doesn't look bad to me

It's a basic admin job with a salary to match. Looks like a small company and there is nothing too taxing on there. And the benefits look pretty good.

I did a similar role (well outside of London) for that in 1998. This is paying the around the same (though with greater benefits). The difference then to now is a significant chunk of that work anyone competent at their job doesn't seek help for (electronic based work), so anything vaguely 'support' is of very low value financially.
But, that pay in London? They're after someone living with their parents. Not an independent adult.

Also I think the benefits-in-kind they list for the role are quite a boost to the overall salary package. Nowadays companies have to offer a pension, so that's quite a lot when I consider my admin role, where I had to fight for some extra salary to set up a personal pension because I argued it wasn't competitive (having come from a company that had a good pension).

So are you sending out your CV at the moment? I hope your job search goes well!

Sounds reasonable to me? Similar roles and pay to what I've done (but without the benefits)

It would be about 13-14k around here, it seems like a fairly standard admin job to me. Back in 2000 I was earning £7k full time in accounts for a national company. We used to get the internal vacancy list sent round and it was a bit of a kick in the teeth to see the same job advertised in the Manchester office for £16k

No, it's not an office manager role, it's probably rather junior. They are only asking for 2 years office experience, and most importantly for a PA role in London, they aren't asking for a degree.

This would be a good job for a 20 year old who's not gone to uni, done a couple of years being an office junior and needs to get some experience with a bit more responsiblity.

Sadly, PA and admin support roles wages tanked after Lehmans and hasn't fully recovered, whole levels are getting used to doing their own stuff/having a team assistant who previously would have a PA.

It's not an office manager. It sounds like an office junior.

From there is nothing in the role that requires any real skill.

I had a job that involved all of that plus more admin, plus writing for three magazines on a similar salary in central London. I was one of the best paid of all my post graduate friends at the time. I had a similar level of experience asked for in this role.

I think it is quite normal tbh. Salaries are crap.

I have left to work for myselft btw.

Would be ok if it was outside London. They aren't asking for anything particularly skilled or that requies much initiative. From experience though, they will be lucky to find someone with good written communication and spelling who is also prepared to stick with such a basic role for long.

*REQUIRES.

Why are typos inevitable as soon as you start moaning about other people's spelling and grammar?

Admin pay in london hasn't gone up at all in the last 10 years. I'm with Mintyy too.

Lots and lots and lots of people work for those kind of wages, minty. Many second earners but many not. Lots of call centre staff, admin workers TAs, store workers literally lots. And many live in London. It seems like some people are a bit out of touch.

We moved out of London as we wanted more than a hand to mouth existence. I think many of the "mums" at my childrens' school (as to be fair it usually is the mums on the second income at our shool) would earn the pt equivalent or less, so certainly not just school leavers!!!!!

Looks fine. Standard office junior role and a decent salary. My first job in London was tougher and paid £12k, admittedly a few years ago.

YABU

London or not this job is basic, the list of taks are organisation skills mainly, nothing that warrants a great deal of brain power. it could be done by a school leaver, the two years experience will be just to ensure the person has worked in an office before and understands a 9-5 professional day.

I work in publishing so nothing surprises me about salaries. My first job (Bedfordshire, 1997) paid 11.5k, and I had more responsibility than that one.

My Jd is an almost exact copy of that one (yes even down to the 'order stationary', spelt like that on my Jd too!??) yet, pro-rata I earn about £5k less than the lower bracket (I'm in SE too) so yes I think the Salary's excellent!

You also need to be "relaxed and humorous"

It's obviously aimed at someone in their 20s I couldn't see them employing an old bird like me to update their Twitter page, though it looks like an average admin job but aimed at someone young

The actual job role is ok, they've just been thorough. I think the salary is a bit low for SE though - I'd expect more like 20-23.

Which is why a purely market economy, which relies entirely on the mechanisms you describe, would be shit to live in. It's about the price of everything and value of none.

Not the case. It is about each person contributing what he/she is able. Free market economies only fail through Government intervention in the market.

In an actual nation, of people living together in a society, there are social and ethical ends as well as monetary ones. Which ever flavour of economy you choose, it's a means to those ends. Where an economy doesn't serve the need of the nation, it gets steered and curbed till it does - eg with monopolies regulation, to prevent the free market economy reaching its natural conclusion of monopoly.

Again, a fallacy. Monopolies cannot develop in a free market economy, because there will always be competition. Monopolies only develop because Governments intervene and the free markets to favour one company over another, or to legislate in favour of one group over another. If you left individuals to decide freely how they wished to spend their money, in a free trading market, the markets prevent monopolisation of goods and services.

The individuals who do best financially in a partially free economy are those who value their own labour according to purely monetary and utility arguments, and other people's labour according to social and public good arguments.

And this is not borne out by history. We live in a far less generous and charitable age than at any point in our country's history. We have seen far greater depreciation of people's wealth in the past forty years than in the preceding 260 years. It is crony capitalism, an economy where the government legislated and manipulates economics that destroys job markets and businesses. Not a free market. We have not operated a free market in the United Kingdom now for going on 150 years.

Otherwise, under value-based pricing, they'd have to sign their house over to the paramedic and nurse who save their toddler's life...

That is laughable. You are comparing crony capitalism to some ideal socialist utopia that cannot physically exist in real life. You do not seem to understand what a free market economy is or how it works. What you see around you today IS NOT a free market economy. Nor is it a democracy. The fact that you may think it is either, or both, is a testament to the effectiveness of state education.

In London that is barely living wage (maybe a little more). Living wage is just that - living - there is little spare for fun.