To be getting fed up of these type of jumping on the band wagon breastfeeding threads

[sharonthewaspandthewineywall]

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FTR I'm very pro breastfeeding and think where children are permitted mothers should be able to feed their babies in whichever way they choose. But to me this is a completely different situation and this running to the papers screaming about the inequity of it all is pointless and doesnt actually help in cases where people do breach the equality act.
So AIBU?

Are there people who actually, seriously, think that it is ok to bring a child into a workplace?

I certainly would not want to work in such a place and would definitely not want to be a client of a company that were so unprofessional.

I agree. I'm pro breastfeeding but don't want to see tiny infants being fed everywhere I go. I don't think it's particularly suitable to take small babies to a fancy hotel where people go as a special treat. I wouldn't have myself.

There are many things that many people can't do because of circumstances, physical or mental limitations. They don't whinge and moan and go to the papers and draw attention to attention to them . They just quietly and with dignity get on with their lives.

That's fine, and why not if that is what they prefer or are conditioned to do. Others prefer not to shut up and put up but challenge the status quo instead when they see fit.

In any case, op and porto will not be able to change the fact that people speak out about their perceived difficulties on social media, which then sometimes is picked up by mainstream media, no matter how much it pisses them off. Venting away on this little thread ain't gonna change anything but might make them less grumpy in rl .

Im with OP. She should have checked before the day of. Its not like at 11w you suddenly have a EBF baby that wont take a bottle.

Some wont take one. Mine wouldnt until given a cup at over 8mths. But i knew this.

Its a risk you take with exclusively bf and never expressing.

I think its wrong and feel very sorry for a baby where the mother goes to work for 4-6 and will feed when they can so presumably after 2hrs. That is not really a solution with such a young baby 11w. 6m maybe.or if baby can be brought to you when necessary. But i guess it depends on the baby it might always go to sleep. I would be suspicious if i were the club that the baby would cry and you would hear it.

Clubs rules and thats it.
The mother knew or would have taken 4yo. And other person wouldnt have spent hrs talking about it to them.

I dont know what could have been done with baby but the car isnt a great idea either in this weather.

The baby could easily have been crawling or pulling up age where the environment would be more important.
My colleages brought newborns in to show off. But then its a safe environment. Not sure crawlers though as openish bannisters, printers.

My mum (teacher at FE) used to leave us in her staff room for evening classes. But i guess most staff werent there then, they didnt care as we were well behaved. Or we went in the library.
Not entirely sure when a teacher couldnt take child (not baby) to staff room. Especially supervised.
I think we were probably 11 and 14. It was about twice a week from 4:30. Dont expect the managers were around at that sort of time.
Really no reason that where i work they couldnt have like a library for say the older kids for half term if the parents have to work, provided they behave.

Honestly these threads confuse the hell out of me. Are some of you really claiming that bf mothers/babies should be allowed absolutely anywhere? I regularly go to concerts, ballet, opera - I'd be fucking livid if a performance was ruined by a crying baby.

Naty - not the same thing with a 4 year old and you know it.

Lactating women have as much right as disabled people to take full part in normal life - lactation is part of the normal physiology of being a mother.

They can.

normal.life is, places don't always allow children. that includes babies and disabled children bf or otherwise.

Nobody is making a case that babies should disrupt performances and everyone should tolerate it.

Only that we should make an effort to be fully inclusive if it is possible to be so without being massively disruptive or dangerous.

The mother in the OP could have breastfed her baby without disrupting anything or anyone. We all know this to be the case, but people here are looking for stupid reasons to slap down breastfeeding mothers and put them in the place they think all lactating women belong: in the home.

No they don't.

licensing laws don't always permit children.

that is allowed.

Lactating women have as much right as disabled people to take full part in normal life - lactation is part of the normal physiology of being a mother.

Yes and that is why breastfeeding women have the right to breastfeed in most places, and why they have time and space to express if at work.

That does not mean, however, that it is right to bring a baby into a workplace to be fed or onto a premises where children under a certain age are not allowed.

And I hope I never see the day when I have to sit in a professional, formal meeting and have to put up with the presence of babies (either being fed or whatever).

And I certainly never want to go to a ballet, concert etc or even a posh hotel/spa and restaurant etc and have my own child-free time interrupted by screaming babies/kids.

There are environments that are not suitable for children. Sometimes you just have to use your common sense.

It's not about disruption either.

It's about the law.

They can disrupt all they like. Once they get to 12/18

Root- a disabled child also wouldn't be allowed on certain premises due to the fact the are also children so it's a moot point really

Beatrice far from being grumpy I'm actually finding much humour in your continual personal insults and ridiculous arguments

Women only have the right to breastfeed in places where that child has a right to be. So a woman doesn't have the right to breastfeed in an over 21s club for instance.

Just because a woman has a right to be in the place with her lactating breasts doesn't mean the child has a right to be there by proxy.

Unless you really want to see babies entering clubs, exam rooms..

Phew, I am slightly less confused now, thank you

If anyone turned up to my place of employment with their child as they don't have a plan b for Childcare then I would indeed think they were a fuckwit.

So what happens if they do have a plan B, and a plan C and D, and they have all fallen through? I can assure you it happens, OP.

And I notice you have studiously ignored the point I made about children being in the workplace for other reasons, e.g. if they are the children of customers, or if it is just a staff member of parental leave showing off the baby.

You seem to be extrapolating what happens where you work into a presumption that no child ever goes into any workplace, ever, unless their parent is a fuckwit. Which just isn't true.

Let's face it we've all been babies. Everyone on this planet has been a baby at one time or another. I just think people should be a bit more considerate and not expect everyone wherever they are to want to be surrounded by babies and children however they are fed. As somebody else says I don't want babies at the opera, at the cinema, at the ballet or at afternoon tea or dinner in a posh hotel.

icimoi I assume they'd do whatever us people do who can't take children into work with them?

Unfortunately my plans fall through too believe it or not, however I don't work in a field in which just randomly bringing a child to work would wash.

Children visiting with a parent wouldn't be permitted in premises where children are not permitted though so in really not getting the connection...

Women only have the right to breastfeed in places where that child has a right to be.

And

Just because a woman has a right to be in the place with her lactating breasts doesn't mean the child has a right to be there by proxy.

^these^

And I really don't know why a breastfeeding mother is being compared with someone with a disability?!

People always pull the comparing having children with disabilities card in debates where people question kids being the centre of everyone's universe
P&C space threads, wheelchair space threads accessible toilets threads.
Because you know disabilities are a lifestyle choice people make and babies just happen, you know when the stork drops them off

If plans A B C D etc fall through then don't you take emergency parental leave?

Not quite though- a woman's right to breastfeed is covered by the same section of law which protects those with a disability.
A woman - and disabled person are both protected by discrimination laws, in particular the woman is covered by gender discrimination laws.
Of course that does not actually apply to a child.