Should we just give ISIS their own country and let them get on with it..?

[AWholeLottaNosy]

Just saw a headline, ISIS behead 4 children for not converting for Islam. I was just wondering if they want an Islamic state so much with Sharia law,should the powers that be just give them their own country ( like Israel has) and let them get on with it? So everyone who wants to live in that way can do so and leave the rest of us alone..?

I realise this is probably an unrealistic solution but God knows, bombing the hell out of them, young men from the UK wanting to go join them, be heading men on the internet and raping young women and girls certainly isn't either...

gotta love the late night threads on mumsnet

I cannot believe that the OP thinks that the pinnacle of a successful is israel....the irony of their behaviour given the Nazi history are disturbing.....

Politics should never share a bed with religion IMO.

It's pretty clear that ISIS are funded by the Americans and Israelis to continue to ramp up global Islamophobia and the whole "Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East" bullshit.

Yes, we also blew up our own buildings in NYC and are covering up for underground aliens in our national parks. All part of the plan you know.

It's pretty clear that ISIS are funded by the Americans and Israelis to continue to ramp up global Islamophobia and the whole "Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East" bullshit. It's not as simple as it looks.
oh don't talk shit. Grow up. you're spouting sixth form conspiracy shite

bluestocking it scares me that there are people like you in the world. I am reporting your post for its blatant anti Semitism

I think Bluestocking is saying what is well known, that ISIS is being funded by countries like Saudi Arabia and although the US knows this perfectly well, they carry on with the farce of being "allies" and take no steps against them. Saudi has always hated America but has essentially towed the line, so the allies thing worked, but I don't see how that can be said now, even if the cash is coming from private donors and not the Saudi govt.

ISIS want to spread their ideology to as many people as is possible.

This is not a state/country issue.

A state/country cannot live as ISIS wants in isolation in much the same way that communist countries found it impossible to remain true to their ideology within their own borders.

I'm wondering whether the solution might lie in combining the ISIS and Ebola problems:

www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/medical-waste-management.html

Like Israel? My God, the conflict in Israel is troubling but goodness me, you surely jest. Israel, flaws and all, is a Democracy. ISIS makes Hitler and Stalin look airbrushed. What if we left Hitler to it? We left Stalin to it and read a few accounts on his antics. Never leave evil to it. This is why we memorialise things like the Holocaust because it is blood on humanities hands.

Sorry humanity's hands I should have written... Bad grammar.. 4 hours of sleep.

If only it were that simple, OP...
Give them their own country, invite all who want to live that way to go there.
Then nuke it.
IS want more than their own little Caliphate. They won't settle for a strip of desert, they'll always want more.

Israel might not fund Hamas. But it does donate them lots of bombs. Unfortunately, due to not having enough experience of delivery systems, Israel hasn't yet figured out how to lower the bombs to Hamas militants, from above, without the ordnance exploding. But, with practice, I'm sure they'll get there.

All the anti isreal stuff on mumsnet is shocking,

you all know Isreal is the only democracy in the middle east.

Anti - semitism? Where? Criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitic, they are a country like any other and as such are open to criticism.

OP, Israel was created because there was no other Jewish State and because millions of Jewish people had been killed during the war and many others were left as refugees. There are many other Muslim States already in existence so a new state isn't needed for Isis. Surely you don't think that would be a realistic solution?

Territt16, I agree - Mumsnet is extremely anti-Israel and makes many Jewish posters feel very uncomfortable.

Territt, Ketchup - Agreed here too. (Although the creation of Israel as a Jewish state was not only about the holocaust and European Jewry. It was also to do with a continuous, and at times sizeable, Jewish presence in that land.)

Without wanting to give credence to the conspiracy theorists, it would be something of an elegant solution.

You provide a territory where jihadists can live out their debased sexual and military fantasies. You portray it as a genuine threat to the west. It gets flooded with all the dissatisfied youth of western Islam... then you bomb the shit out of it.

"Oh, we can't win, it will be impossible to dislodge ISIS, they're an ongoing threat" - more jihadists flock there. More bombing.

You show more in the media about the barbaric living conditions and brutal society that's created wherever Islamic fundamentalism is victorious. More and more people are put off, but those few who get their jollies from that sort of thing race to experience it... and get more bombing.

The big terrorist franchises (Alqaeda, Hamas, etc) get inevitably drawn in by such a rich source of recruits and the black market. Western intelligence operatives will be perfectly placed to infiltrate the networks, leading of course to more bombing.

The big problem with fighting terrorists has always been getting them to sit still in one place where the much more powerful western militaries can get to them. Well, ISIS territories are the perfect solution. Persuade every potential terrorist recruit that its their natural home. Leave to accumulate. Bomb it.

The simple truth is, I don't believe any of the democracies opposed to ISIS possess any of the requisite competence or ruthlessness to do it on purpose, but it could quite easily be happening by accident.

Whilst criticism of the policies and actions of Israel is not ant-Semitic per se, the content of that criticism may constitute anti-Semitism. For example, where actions and policies of the Israeli government are criticised, but comparable policies of other governments are not. Or where the violent actions and intent of aggressors towards Israel are not criticised, or are even praised as at the very least understandable, or even laudable. Or where the critics of Israel, by their criticism, imply that Israeli citizens should endure a level of threat and ongoing violence that would be unacceptable for the citizens of other countries to endure. Or where UN reports that officially exonerate Israel are ignored and the initial accusations are trotted out time and time again (thinking of Goldstone here). Or where violence perpetrated against Jews in other countries is brushed aside as a natural and understandable response to Israeli actions (that have been previously defined as unacceptable and barbaric).

When criticism takes that form, as it frequently does and the critics give absolutely no answer to the question of what they would actually have Israel do in the face of the threats posed by terror tunnels and the barrage of rockets raining down over much of the country (the answer seems to be - nothing, just suck it up), then it does very much take on the appearance of anti-Semitism.

If Israel quit killing folks, for a while, I think things would probably calm down a bit.

I'm not quite sure how the conspiracy theory is supposed to go. Asad didn't supply the territory for the depraved sexual exploits of some jihadis. The buggers stole it. Last I heard he was making a half arsed job of trying to get some of it back.

Et voilà.

Et tu, Brute?

Why is it a requirement to list the wrong doings of every country in the world when criticising Israel? That's just changing the subject.
They are a supposed democracy and an ally of the UK. I criticise on that basis. It's got sod all to do with majority religion of the country. Mostly I see US sponsored arrogance.