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AIBU to be horrified by the new Porn Law?

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PlayNice · 03/12/2014 16:52

AIBU to be really disturbed by the new porn law? If anyone hasn't seen it, they've banned a whole load of relatively common sexual practices from being shown in porn filmed in the UK.

There's a really good list/explanation here:www.aftmagazine.com/learn/porn-laws-illegal-fantasy/

AIBU to think that there's nothing wrong with showing a bit of spanking in a porn film? I feel like the UK government should be focussing on improving public transport and fixing the economy, not trying to nose into what we're doing in our bedrooms?!

And what on earth is wrong with squirting? I notice there's no ban on sperm flying around the place!

I feel like this rather unfairly boosts the stereotype of us Brits being all sexually repressive. Maybe they'll end up banning boinking entirely! Although that'd admittedly save a lot of awkwardness and do away with having to change the sheets so often.

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Birdsgottafly · 03/12/2014 23:43

The Public Disgrace films are Run by Women, mainly, there are really interesting discussions around Ethics and Bounderies on and instigated around these.

There will be no discussions or regulations around the stuff coming from the Poorer Eastern European countries.

Iggly · 03/12/2014 23:44

I think porn is too readily available, there's too much free porn.

This is better than nothing.

elephantspoo · 03/12/2014 23:45

This autocorrect is driving me nuts.

Alyosha · 03/12/2014 23:49

I think I'm not getting my point across that well - I'm not saying these women don't know what they're doing, or that they are mentally unable to consent. I'm saying that if porn is your job, and doing a scene you really don't want to do is the only way for you to pay your rent, it's not freely given consent.

It's why psychological research guidelines state that participants must be given the full incentive to take part even if they decide to drop out before or during the research.

There is a huge difference between being coerced into sex and being coerced into waiting tables in a job you don't like. I assume most people here don't think women should have take prostitution jobs rather than go on benefits, for example? Sex isn't just another job.

WineWineWine · 03/12/2014 23:57

The things that have been banned are just a tiny section of these acts.
Many of the acts are fine, they just have a few restrictions on them.
Squirting is fine, as long as it isn't consumed. Spanking is fine as long as it doesn't get too aggressive. Butt plugs are fine as they can be removed, but shoving a mobile phone up your arse wouldn't be OK.
I don't think it will make much difference to anyone in reality.

elephantspoo · 04/12/2014 00:13

Alyosha - By that rationale, anyone who places an individual in a position where they believe they are required to perform sex acts in order to place food on their table, should be legislated against, and subsequently punished.

If that is the case, in the case of an apparent free agent street prostitute, who or what is leading them to believe they have to service men in order to put food on the table, and why are they not legislated against and prosecuted?

And what of the the husband who bribes his wife with a new pair of shoes in exchange for an act she is a little less than happy to otherwise provide? Again, by your definition, we have coercion and not consensual sex.

Bulbasaur · 04/12/2014 00:51

I'm saying that if porn is your job, and doing a scene you really don't want to do is the only way for you to pay your rent, it's not freely given consent.

Yep, we all have shitty parts of our jobs that if we don't do we don't get paid. Acting is the same way. I highly doubt actors want to be in some of those stupid commercials they do. They aren't coerced.

She has been offered money for a job, like any contract worker. She can choose to accept it or find another one. She can also choose to find a different profession if she doesn't like the current one she's in.

And.. considering the majority of main stream porn is basic positions, I don't think a porn star will be cornered into doing fetish porn. They get into fetish porn because it pays more. Way more. End of.

StarShank · 04/12/2014 04:47

YANBU.

The BDSM community will carry on regardless. Luckily they are (mostly) well versed in being SSC (Safe Sane and Consensual).

If two consenting adults want to act out rape what's wrong with that?

I would like to see the stats on how many people are forced into porn though.

NoArmaniNoPunani · 04/12/2014 05:02

The BDSM community will carry on regardless. Luckily they are (mostly) well versed in being SSC (Safe Sane and Consensual).

Do you know many pro Dommes in the BDSM community? The ones I know will be affected by this.

Alyosha · 04/12/2014 08:15

Bulbasaur - quite! I think buying sex should be illegal too. And surely you can see the difference between buying a new pair of shoes and not having somewhere to live?

People get into fetish porn for the money, you imply, not because they want to do it. How is that not economic coercion?

FloraFox · 04/12/2014 08:40

Porn is not acting. Actors in a murder scene don't actually get murdered, actors shown punching someone are not actually punching someone. In porn, an actor in a scene about fisting are actually getting fisted. Porn is filmed prostitution and prostitution is not a job like any other.

solidussnake · 04/12/2014 10:18

idk. i do all of those things with my DP (apart from female ejaculation lol) so yes I am also horrified. its censoring things and I really don't agree with censoring. They're trying to get rid of kinks because they're life endangering. I know from being in "that sort of relationship" if you do things right, nothing really actually "hurts" you and things should DEFINITELY not be "life endangering" if you do it right! -.- Its a load of shit
but then again, i don't really watch it. I just do it.

solidussnake · 04/12/2014 10:27

kittykathat see this is what I don't get. How the hell does porn look like rape? Look, you can't even find a "rape" category in The Big 3. It's quite difficult to find REALLY hardcore stuff and even then, i don't watch it. Ever heard of "female friendly"? it is slow, passionate, and involves laughing and joking and shit like that and it's mainly done by real couples in their own bedroom and looks absolutely lovely. thats the sexy part of it. They look like they're having fun in the stuff I watch. I may watch some "hardcore" stuff by other people's standards but at least I don't watch humiliation porn. I may be into that but I don't want to watch it. I don't think I've ever seen a porn video with a woman screaming no, no, stop. I think it would be taken off the big 3 as there are still rules for snuff films and rape porn. its still illegal.
I just... for the life of me.. can't believe they banned what I would call dirty talking! If anyone's ever seen James Deen and Stoya... ooo!
anyway, they can't police it. i don't really care for the porn industry to be quite honest. They can make it here, sell it to france, who sells it back to us.
that gets around prosecution because technically it was produced for french audiences. It's not technically british pornography. its just one more thing they can't police. I wonder what else they're covering up with this. It's like the pasty tax which was obviously used as a cover up for something else.
They say its protecting the children. I say,t he government should stop tryingt o parent the children and make parents parent the children. don't want your kids seeing porn? ban them from going out. ever.
But it's not about saving the children is it? it's saving people from what they want to watch. I thought 1984 was a book? I guess its all coming true isn't it? the thought police are here, soon you won't even be able to hace kinky sex or even think about having any sort of kink... "because it's about child protection" not between cnosentnig adults it's not.
rant over.
and breathe. haha!

solidussnake · 04/12/2014 10:30

And another thing. Girls go into porn through choice. Just like everything we do in our lives, its a choice. they choose to say yes or no to a job they've been offered money for.
She can easily say no
It's not co-erced and the big companies would NEVER force a girl to do porn that she doesn't want to do. I really don't believe for a second the porn that most (sane) people watch is actually rape. It's just ridiculous that pepole think that. the woman (and the bottom in a gay porn, and the girl in a bukkake video, and the man in a gangang video) have ALL either said yes or no. yes they will have sex with a lot of people, no they won't have sex with a lot of people. simple as that, they'd get more porn actors. "no" means okay we'll get you for the next one, not no, you're going to do it whether you like it or not.

FloraFox · 04/12/2014 10:31

soon you won't even be able to have kinky sex or even think about having any sort of kink

Hmm how is that going to happen?

solidussnake · 04/12/2014 10:39

flora i mean, thats what they'll try and police next.
Now that I read over it, I sound like a conspiracy theorist. But thats what I believe.

solidussnake · 04/12/2014 10:40

i also can't spell on this phone.

NoArmaniNoPunani · 04/12/2014 10:43

soon you won't even be able to have kinky sex or even think about having any sort of kink

Technically a lot of BDSM is illegal :( see Spanner case.

AnniDollxox · 04/12/2014 10:52

You can always tell the stuffy 'up-themselves' commenters from the 'who gives a shit' people...if people want to spank each other and pee on each other, let them it doesn't affect you in any way what people do for porn, don't watch it! But seriously get your head out of your arse and realise that it's the age of the internet that's the problem not the people in the clips....

DoraGora · 04/12/2014 10:59

It's not just the Internet. There are professional pornographers out there who are out-disgusting themselves, it seems, simply for the sake of doing that. Why on earth they can't take up golf, or bowling is beyond me. And, I think our law makers are quite right to say, if you want to behave like that, you can bugger off and do it in some other country where it's legal. You're not doing it here.

Quite right too, I say.

DoraGora · 04/12/2014 11:08

I think also, in America, lots of this stuff is covered by freedom of expression. The Americans really have to look at the 1st Amendment, at some point. I really can't see how sticking an armchair up your rectum has got anything to do with freedom of expression.

icecreamcone12 · 04/12/2014 11:39

if you want to behave like that, you can bugger off and do it in some other country where it's legal.

this will very likely happen. Is that a good thing? In the UK there are reasonably strong labour protections, and if there are not specifically in the case of porn, we have the infrastructure to change that. In many other countries there are not, and actors there really have no protections.

I think also, in America, lots of this stuff is covered by freedom of expression. The Americans really have to look at the 1st Amendment, at some point. I really can't see how sticking an armchair up your rectum has got anything to do with freedom of expression.

no they don't. The first amendment has served them extremely well and we can learn a lesson from them. I am not referring to porn, but free speech in general. People get muzzled in the UK far too easily.

DoraGora · 04/12/2014 11:58

I'm not sure at what point politicians have to be realistic about where pornographers set up shop. If you ban practise (a) and (b) they're just going to hop on a bus and go to some place where they're allowed. I'm not sure how to change that.

The Americans do their obscenity lawmaking on a pick and choose basis (not that we don't here, too). I'm only referring to the 1st Am, in the case of porn. They already do it. I think they just don't do it often enough. They've got plenty of stuff they could be banning.

icecreamcone12 · 04/12/2014 12:10

I'm not sure how to change that.

Surely, however, that should be a consideration, no? if the point of these bans is the protection of certain groups, it doesn't make sense to export the work to places where it will be more dangerous.

Mammanat222 · 04/12/2014 12:26

So MN doesn't like porn then??

Grin

To be fair most of the "banned" acts sound pretty grim anyway!