to feel this parent now teacher at ds's school

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should not be able to see my ds's exam results before me?

Or because she's now a teacher there, I should accept that she should have access?

Her ds is in the same classes as my ds.

She now has a job as a part time language teacher at the school.

All the children in Year 5 have just had exams. She has told another mother all the kids in that set have done badly in maths.

The reason they have had this conversation is because there are concerns about the maths teacher amongst the parents.

I'm just irritated that this parent knows my ds's exam results before I do, not least because it's not good news.

Aibu?

This is like a woman at work who had an issue with me seeing part of her HR info. It was

Part of my job that I had to deal with that system.

You need to get over it.

If yu have an issue with her, IMO, very general comment then take that to the head but you can't ban a teacher from having access to results because you don't like it.

Maybe the maths teacher mentioned it in passing or in the staff room.

Its fine she sees the info, not fine she shared the info outside of the school

I wouldn't be bothered about it in your shoes though

What exam results (at this time of year)?
She is very likely to know abut progress and attainment for children she teaches in all subjects, and to have an overview of the whole school. However she does have to be careful not to blur the lines between being a teacher and a parent.

Having said that, I'm trying to work out what exams would have taken place in Year 5 at this point in the academic year. Do you school hold meetings to let parents know how children are doing? In my schools this has already happened since September, so any parent who has been in to find out how their children are doing would be quite likely to know if there was a pattern of children not doing well in a particular subject.
So, she shouldn't be discussing information that's not already shared with parents, but I don't see any harm if it's old news.

But we don't know exactly what she said.

However, in her position, I would have kept quiet completely because of the chances of mis information getting out.

She's not behaving professionally if she's sharing information about results in an informal manner with random parents. Many results are collated on a spreadsheet, so you'd have all subjects available at a glance.

'Year 5 is primary and there are no seperate teachers for maths, languages, etc here. They have one teacher.'

Lots of primaries and junior schools set for maths and have a specialist teacher for languages, music or sports.
From the ages mentioned, the OP is talking about a middle school, or a prep.

Dd's primary used different teachers for different subjects, I've no doubt that each teacher was aware of how the children were performing in other subjects as well as their own because dd's class teacher did once tell me about dd's performance in a music lesson but no one would have discussed them with other parents.
I think though that as you weren't party to the conversation you can't be sure that confidentiality was breached. The teacher may well have said that her son did badly but no worse than anyone else which to me wouldn't be discussing other pupil's results.

I see no reason for her not to be aware of all the results but she shouldn't be discussing them informally with parents or in any way outside the classroom other than in her professional capacity once they have been published.

dc have often had Maths and English tested at this time of year . Usually based on practice papers for selective schools 11+/13+ or now to assist with setting and make any adjustments.

I think she has breached information that came to her in the course of her duties by sharing it without authorisation with parents.

Unless you want to see more confidential info compromised, then you should complain now, before it is a serious or sacking matter. Don't wait for her to do it again, as next time it might have much graver consequences. If her judgement is port, she needs a mentor now, not a disciplinary later.

Maybe she hasn't 'seen' them as such and was just relaying information that she had heard in the staff room. I'm assuming teachers would have a general chat about this?

Meditrina, if an investigation into the conversation led to the conclusion that she had seen the results and that she had passed them on, then I agree with you.

But no one is guilty of anything based on hearsay alone

I'm assuming you are either outside the uk or talking about a middle school to have year 5,6 and 7 in the same school.

Anyway. She should know about the progress of all children in all areas. I wonder if there was a staff meeting when the results came in saying that this whole set had done poorly in maths and how was the school going to support this.
It is perfectly reasonable for teachers to know results before parents. It is not reasonable for her to talk about it.

'just relaying information that she had heard in the staff room'

Still unprofessional.
But I agree that it's a conversation about a conversation, and thus it's hearsay.

Obviously it's better for someone to who she spoke directly to raise the matter first.

Hearsay can indeed be toxic, but in this case, if reported in a 'do you know that this is what is doing the rounds?' and then trusting the school to act appropriately might lead to the best outcome. A mentoring nudge is always better than a later problem. And good boundaries are vital, and teachers new to a setting need to be looked after.

The parents do not need to know anything whatsoever about how staff are developed, mentored or whatever. But they do need to have trust that standards are high, and that concerns will be listened to.

You need to accept that she will now have access to results, conversations between staff about children etc. it obviously irritates you but you need to get over it. She shouldn't share your child's info with another parent but saying the results were not good as a whole isn't identifying really and is a second hand conversation so you really have no idea of what was actually said. I think you need to stop getting so involved in gossip tbh it sounds very snippy and bitchy. Plus you seem to be getting over het up about her being a teacher in the school. Why?

Agreed Meditrina. I am in a similar position to this teacher and am very aware of the boundaries. I also know that some parents are not always aware and will try to discuss things they shouldn't with me. I have also seen the damage of hearsay too, on colleagues.

So it's a difficult line to tread and one I always said I wouldn't do. But life doesn't always work out the way we plan

I'd be concerned about the statement that she'd shared the information because parents had concerns about the maths teacher.

"But I still don't see why a language teacher of other years should be privy to the results of children in a completely different subject? "

Because she is a teacher in the school. There will be whole school planning, and staff meetings where that planning is discussed. I would be bonkers if teachers kept on having to go in and out of the room depending on what subject was being talked about.

I do think she should be very careful what she says to who, though.

Very unprofessional to have shared that information with a parent and potentially risking their job.

I also work in the same school as my child, and see a lot of confidential information about their year group that as a parent infuriates me. But I can not risk my job by discussing any of it with parents who are not staff.

In fact if I were that Maths teacher and heard about this I'd be considering grievance procedures. And if there are performance concerns her comments could surely prejudice any future capability procedures.
OP your mention her "text". If she's actually committed her comments to writing she is incredibly stupid and unprofessional.

Cansu, het up about her being a teacher in the school? Eh? In what way?

I am annoyed that I found out how my ds - and the rest in his maths set - had done in his maths exam via another parent from a teacher who doesn't even teach him anything at all.

The results will be made known to parents in the school reports at Christmas.

Nothing to do with the fact that she is a teacher at the school bothers me except that because she is also a parent at the school, she now needs to be extra careful about what she discusses with parents with whom she is friends.

The issue is not whether she teaches your son personally. It's the fact that she shouldn't be sharing the information. The fact that she's also a parent makes holding boundaries more important. It's unreasonable to expect her not to have a whole school overview though.