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AIBU?

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To think my daughter should not have been branded a racist?

198 replies

Nikinakin00 · 25/11/2014 20:42

I'm really not sure what you're all going to say...
My DD is 13 and has a diagnosis for ADHD and also for ASD.
She struggles in school, with her anger and in social situations but we are getting there and she is improving.
Unfortunately, because she is loud and can display inappropriate behaviour, she is always the first one the teacher notices and tells off or blames.
She is used to this now and kind of just accepts it most of the time!
She is very literal and will often refuse to talk to a teacher because she looks like a thumb, laugh at a teachers name that sounds like her favourite ice cream. So she can be immature.
Today in school a girl started taunting her saying she (dd) had problems and saying 'so glad I've not got your problems though' and pulling a face to insinuate she had learning difficulties (iyswim) whilst others laughed. So my Dd jumped up and said "well you're ugly with a squashed nose and you look like a monkey!'
This girl is mixed race (i know this because her mum is known in my town and she is mixed race) and reported a racial attack to the teacher and as a consequence, my daughter was told her behaviour was disgusting and excluded
I only found out when I'd finished work because the school called my parents, who collected her from school and they left me a voicemail.
I've been to the school and the head teacher basically said that the girls family are feuding with another family, it's become quite serious and they think my DD was goaded to make a racial comment to this girl. They also said that they removed her from the situation to protect her getting into further trouble and also the girls mother reports every racial abuse to the police and I'd have them knocking at my door if he hadn't of diffused the situation. This girls mother is coming to the school on Thursday with a solicitor to demand all kinds (not about todays situation) the head basically said any row or anything said to her dd results in racial accusations so I know there is lots going on.
My dd is adamant she wasn't goaded and says that she does look like a monkey and that's why she said it.
My dd's half brother is mixed race as are her cousins, we are not a racist family. I'm so upset that the school have publicly excluded her for racial comments, that they had to call this mother and say that she had been removed and that nothing was said to the girl or her mum about what she had said.
What about the comments she was making to my dd? Why aren't they equally as damaging? My dd has no self esteem, she has self harmed many times, the amount of effort to even get her to school is enough, but to deal with this aswell? She has been doing amazing lately.
The school have said they will have her back tomorrow but she is so upset. It took her 10 minutes to even get in the car because she was having a meltdown on the pavement outside of school. In her eyes, the girl said something bad so dd said something back.
I feel so sorry for her, she is 100% not racist but she as been branded one.
She very openly admits calling her a name and says "she knows it is naughty but it wasn't because of who her mum is and she said bad things to me that I can't help and she knows she has to be told off"
It's heartbreaking for me to see her not understand and I don't think the school have protected her.
Aibu?

OP posts:
Hulababy · 25/11/2014 21:16

Would she has said the comment to another child who was white?

I am not convinced that your child was being racist. I think she said a mean comment, a comment that could be construed as being a racist comment. But this is different to your child being racist: one is about the intent, the other is about the comment.

And with a child who has a very literal way of behaving and reacting, as many ASD children do, tis is a very important distinction.

The other child needs to be punished in equal measure. She did have intent with her mean comment. She said something which she meant to be offensive towards your child, highlighting her disability. But by not giving her the same punishment the school are saying that is is okay to be disablist and that disablist comments are far less important than racist ones.

Samcro · 25/11/2014 21:16

I would be asking the school what they are going to do about the disablist comments.

ApocalypseThen · 25/11/2014 21:18

I've tried to explain it to her, the difference between calling someone a monkey, dog, cow, duck, chicken.....all animals but all so different.

I'm not clear what the difference is either. Is "don't make personal remarks" not sufficient?

ThereIsACarInTheKitchen · 25/11/2014 21:18

Funkytown my point is it makes me sad this this other girl is basically getting away with being disablist. Sad.

Nikinakin00 · 25/11/2014 21:19

Fabulous because I was very upset and asking why the other girl hadn't been dealt with, why they had sent her home etc etc.
The school and I have a good relationship and I suppose they were trying to explain why they didn't or make it sound a lot worse than it was once they realised they'd made a mistake by blaming my dd entirely.
They have excluded her once before and asked her to come back the next day and apologising to us for their bad management.
The school is very good on the whole and I know my dd is difficult to u dear stand and to manage at times.

OP posts:
Funkytown · 25/11/2014 21:20

but she won't if the op goes to the school and speaks to the teachers like I'm assuming the other girls mum did

neart · 25/11/2014 21:20

YABU its a terrible comment to make and she certainly deserves to be dealt with severely.

ghostspirit · 25/11/2014 21:20

i agree with what others are saying both girls should be punished in the same way. I think OP made a comment about the girls making more problems if their daughter was also punished. or did you mean if your daughter was not punished. Anyway my sister is a teacher and she says that teachers are scared of some parents. so the child gets away with things because the teacher is scared of the parent.... But why would you be told that op? its sort of like he/she is admitting that they know its not quite right.

i agree it was a racist comment but does not mean your dd knows the full understanding of it.

in blunt terms its like yes this girl can bully you and say things about your special needs and she can kick you where it hurts and nothing will happen. you kick her where it hurts and there will be hell to play.....

Nikinakin00 · 25/11/2014 21:21

Duck chick chicken hen.... A lot of people use these as pet names.
Pig, dog cow monkey are usually as name calling.

OP posts:
Hulababy · 25/11/2014 21:21

ApocalypseThen

I assume because where the OP lives "duck" "chicken" etc are used as affectionate terms.

ThereIsACarInTheKitchen · 25/11/2014 21:21

usualsuspect333 my post was in response to the OP where she said she didn't see the other thread because she spent so long typing this thread. I was confused by this as the other thread was started (at the time) over three hours ago so I simply asked her if she took three hours to post this and I added a confused smiley. That's not a personal attack or offensive, is it? Confused

SanityClause · 25/11/2014 21:23

Apocalypse, I think the point is duck or hen can be used of terms of endearment, whereas pig, and cow are derogatory. In fact, monkey can be a term of endearment, as well - cheeky monkey! But it can also be racist. I can see this would be confusing for someone with ASD.

WorraLiberty · 25/11/2014 21:24

It sounds like the school are making a real pig's ear of this, OP.

You need to make an appointment. Before you attend, calmly write down everything you want to raise, including why this girl wasn't excluded for her disablist comment.

'Because her Mum reports all racial incidents to the Police', is not a good enough excuse. If this is their 'reason', you need to write to the Chair of Govs immediately and do not let this drop.

Both girls made dreadful, hurtful comments so both girls should be punished.

Nikinakin00 · 25/11/2014 21:25

I have been to the school.
My dd has been excluded for racism.
Nothing has happened to this girl
My dd DID NOT understand the racial undertones in her comment (although she knew it was name calling but was angry for being called a spaz.

OP posts:
maddening · 25/11/2014 21:25

He other girl should have been equally removed for her disablist comments - that is what is unfair.

LadyLuck10 · 25/11/2014 21:25

I definitely agree that the school needs to deal with the other girls disablist comments in equal measure. You also need have lots of discussions with your dd about appropriate behaviour and name calling. The school, her peers and yourself may be very understanding with her but she could land herself in heaps of trouble outside of these parameters by insulting people.

Nikinakin00 · 25/11/2014 21:26

I have t deleted any posts! I didn't respond though, sorry I didn't notice the other thread when I clicked on the AIBU topic board.

OP posts:
usualsuspect333 · 25/11/2014 21:26

I wouldn't think so, Thereisacar Confused

I thought it was quite funny TBH.

maddening · 25/11/2014 21:27

Ps the other girl was worse - her comments were purposefully disablist - the ops dd does not understand what race is - she was being literal and inadvertently made a racist comment - totally different IMO

Fabulous46 · 25/11/2014 21:28

Fabulous because I was very upset and asking why the other girl hadn't been dealt with, why they had sent her home etc etc.

This doesn't give the HT the right to break confidentiality of another parent. I'm horrified they did this. Every parent has the right to confidentiality. The HT had no right to divulge information to you in relation to personal circumstances of the other parent.

I stand by what I said earlier, your daughters comments were racist and should be dealt with appropriately. Likewise the other students behaviour should be dealt with. However, the school are at fault by going into detail about the other parent. How would you have reacted if the school were taking about your circumstances to another parent?

Nikinakin00 · 25/11/2014 21:29

Lady Luck - I agree and u fortunately, we only ever have these discussions following something that wasn't thatnpleasentnor acceptable.
You can't cover every single topic with a child who hates talking!
It's all very awful and I understand the other parent wanting to protect her dd, I'm not heartless or 'one of those mums'!!!
I just think that it was easier to blame everything on my dd :(

OP posts:
Fairenuff · 25/11/2014 21:29

But OP I don't understand what you are looking for in this thread. You have said that you agree with the action that the school took against your dd.

Would it have been better to start a thread asking how you can make sure that offensive comments towards your dd are dealt with properly?

WorraLiberty · 25/11/2014 21:30

Then you need to make an appointment to go back to the school and get some answers.

If you're not will to do that, I don't really know how this can be resolved?

WorraLiberty · 25/11/2014 21:30

*willing

BastardGoDarkly · 25/11/2014 21:30

The other girl isn't black. Therefore dds comment was not racially motivated, a child with asd and adhd made a mean comment.

The other girl had every intention of being disablist.

Good luck op with fighting your dds corner.

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