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To ask what mumsnetters think is a low income

191 replies

Pimmsoclocknow · 24/11/2014 20:16

Totally inspired by another thread, but what do you think is a low income. - for a individual and for a family of four

OP posts:
Pimmsoclocknow · 24/11/2014 22:11

Only 1% paid 50% tax on earnings over £150,000

OP posts:
Redling · 24/11/2014 22:12

One of our essential outgoings is £5000 a year commuting costs into London, so that takes a fair chunk. And is why we don't have a car.

iggly2 · 24/11/2014 22:12

Opps what if you "are" ill/maternity leave.

Bartlebee · 24/11/2014 22:15

That calculator is rubbish.

We are definitely not better off than 90 something % of the population. We are definitely the squeezed middle.

DragonMamma · 24/11/2014 22:18

It says we are in the top 25%. Which is a load of baloney. We are still skint at the end of each month.

I would say £17-18k is low for an individual and around £30k for a family.

iggly2 · 24/11/2014 22:21

"If your income is below the median you will not have had a mortgage in the last ten years" you may have just have been made redundant/fired etc so your wage may now be below the median.

MollyBdenum · 24/11/2014 22:24

So much depends on the peopleoeople around you. I thought that we were around average, but we came in a bit below that, on the fourth decile. But I imagine that people with higher incomes incurr greater expenses because they can, so feel poor but have a bigger house, or one in a nicer area, or travel more, or have more clothes or coffees or a car or a babysitter etc.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 24/11/2014 22:27

Minimum wage is low; I'd say for a single person 18k or so is when it becomes ok-ish; 20k definitely manageable (I'm in the South but not London). I wouldn't know for a family.

drbonnieblossman · 24/11/2014 22:28

South East here. Anything less than £50,000 joint income would be a disaster for us

JeanneDeMontbaston · 24/11/2014 22:30

Btw, MrsPiggie, why does a couple need 8k more than an individual? Confused

MrsJossNaylor · 24/11/2014 22:30

All these people claiming they are the squeezed middle and the calculator is bullshit - no. Get real. You are rich by comparison.

I thought I would be bang on average (household income 30k) but in fact around 70pc are richer than us. Explains why I feel poor.

Those in the top 10 per cent who feel "squeezed" should be counting their blessings.

Babiecakes11 · 24/11/2014 22:31

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JeanneDeMontbaston · 24/11/2014 22:34

Ooh! I am very rich!

The calculator is looking at my council tax, which I share with my flatmate, and according to that my income is higher than 87% of the population. I'll tell my mum that next time she worries about the fact I can't get a mortgage and haven't paid off my student loans.

I do think it's a crude measure but I do feel very glad to have what I have, which is less than you, MrsJoss, but obviously only for me!

BertieBotts · 24/11/2014 22:35

In the UK we were at 11%. Since moving to Germany putting our figures into that calculator, and fudging for council tax, we're at 15%. Quite a jump, and we don't earn that much more, about £100 a month.

BlackeyedSusan · 24/11/2014 22:37

arse. 5th percentile. however, I have lower outgoings.

NoArmaniNoPunani · 24/11/2014 22:37

Does the calculator only take info account earned income? A lot of wealthy people have inheritances and money made on homes which probably isn't counted and affects the results.

Johnogroats · 24/11/2014 22:40

I am no oligarch, but do feel comfortably off (both higher rate tax payers), and apparently we are top 1%. Not sure that s correct as calculation somewhat crude, but am grateful for what I have.

pointythings · 24/11/2014 22:40

Well, for us the calculator worked pretty well because

  1. we don't pay council tax - Uncle Sam pays it for us because of DH's employment status. We don't get CB either, but it balances out.
  2. we have no mortgage - own our house outright, thanks to MIL leaving us money. We'd rather have her back, but have done what she would have wanted - she hated any kind of debt.

We also don't pay for childcare because DDs are 11 and 13 and don't need any. With a combined income of £56k that leaves us pretty comfortably off. We feel very privileged, I can tell you.

For anyone dealing with housing costs, the calculator is pretty poor.

BlackeyedSusan · 24/11/2014 22:40

oh and savings.

smokepole · 24/11/2014 22:40

I would say anything below £11,400 for a single person or £14,400 for a family as that is below 60% of median income in the United Kingdom.
I would say that needs to be Net Income though.

I have managed quite well with 3 children on £1500 A month, though I suspect not having a mortgage is the reason for that.

Talkin . I don't know why you keep wasting your time, telling people the real facts about income distribution in the Uk!.

catgirl1976 · 24/11/2014 22:41

It doesn't matter what you earn. If your outgoings exceed your income you will be skint.

I earn about £63k per annum, which is a big drop from what I was earning pre DS

DH takes home about £800 - £1k a month after tax.

That might look nice on paper to some people (or shitty to others depending on what you earn) BUT due to a combination of being shit with money, debt and high outgoings in terms of rent and childcare we are genuinely skint.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 24/11/2014 22:43

That's odd ... before I left DH, we were on the 66th centile. Given my income hasn't changed, that's a big jump!

crumblebumblebee · 24/11/2014 22:45

That calculator was enlightening, as is reading the responses of some people on here.

JeanneDeMontbaston · 24/11/2014 22:45

catgirl - well, but come on ... 'skint' properly refers to people with little choice in the matter, surely? I mean, if someone is struggling because most of their income goes on necessities, that's being skint. Having outgoings that most people couldn't afford, such as a big mortgage or whatever, is not the same as being skint. Nor is being shit with money, IMO.

itsonlysubterfuge · 24/11/2014 22:46

My husband and I are on benefits, if you include the money we get to pay our rent ( I think we should, DH says you shouldn't ) then we get about £23,000 per year, we live in the North West of England.