To never want anyone to champion Jack Monroe again?

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After what she has tweeted about David Cameron. here

Like him or loathe him to describe the way he talks about his deceased son as 'misty eyed' and used for political gain is disgusting.

The greatest loss any of us can imagine is the loss of a child. Shock horror, even politician have real feeling. It's just awful that she would say that about another parent.

I don't care what she can do with a bloody lentil. Something's are just too low.

I agree OP. But then I've never had the love for Jack Monroe that Mners seem to have.

chunderella, I can imagine the mn founders are friendly with his wife, I'd be amazed if they weren't

It'so nothing to do with "having the love" for Monroe, Bowlersarm. It's to do with recognising reality. You don't have to love someone to accept that what they say is factually true.

Totally agree with her.

But then I've never had the love for Jack Monroe that Mners seem to have.

This isn't about Jack Monroe, but about David Cameron. You know, the guy that makes the decisions about what services we have. And who is trying to get the NHS privatised. So that there is no NHS.

But all that is fine because he had a child that died? How do you work that out exactly?

I have No idea who this person is. In fact, I thought she was a he However, what is has said is spot on.

Jack Monroe is spot on. Cameron will use any method at his disposal to shut down debate about his giving the NHS to his rich mates. He and his cronies have no idea what real life is like for many of us, or how his policies affect us in our everyday lives.

I think he talks about his son because the experience of looking after him and losing him has made him the person he is and he just can't shut it away in a box. Did she say anything about Gordon Brown talking about his baby girl or is it just Tories that don't have a right to discuss family tragedies?

As many others have said, he frequently uses the memory of his son to shut down debate. Doesn't take anything else away from him, but it's unfair to use it to shut down discussion on disability benefits in particular.

I think he talks about his son because the experience of looking after him and losing him has made him the person he is and he just can't shut it away in a box.

So - what has that got to do with paying disabled people less than minimum wage because they are not worth it - or selling off the NHS?

I don't believe Gordon Brown ever evoked the memory of losing his daughter in a debate about something completely different. Esp not if he planning on shutting a special care baby unit or some such like.

Well......

I don't think Cameron consciously wakes up in the morning and thinks 'it's handy my child died because now I can shut up those pesky lefties' - and the tweet kind of applies that sort of conscious decision making. So as far as that goes I disagree with the tweet. I am sure it is probably quite hurtful to Cameron and his wife and will be pounced on by those who knew them personally through that bereavement - because that's what you do for your friends.

However - it is certainly true that Cameron's personal experience makes him hard to criticise personally on these topics and everybody around him is perfectly well aware of that and so it IS part of the political climate. He does know perfectly well that their experience with a disabled child - continuing to earn well, adapted home etc was NOT typical. He did sort of acknowledge that he's become slightly disconnected from that once when referring back to a webchat here. Riven had challenged him about nappy provision and he said afterwards (possibly in a subsequent webchat?) that Sam had been angry with him saying how could he NOT remember how few they got for Ivan.

I also think Monroe has been naïve if she thought this wouldn't cause a shitstorm to descend on her head. I hope it was an unconsidered tweet on the spur of the moment. Because if she really thought about it then she is guilty of using a child's death for the same type of purpose that she is criticising Cameron for.

lem73 - how dare you? GB never talked about his baby dying or his son's CF during political debate. And do you remember how we all found out about the boy's CF? DC's BFF RB bought medical information about his son and then said to GB that they were going to publish the story whatever but he could give an interview and thus help shape the final article. What a cheap, factually incorrect slur you have posted.

I'm absolutely disgusted by everyone on this thread who agrees with Jack Monroes vile comments. It's foul in the extreme to presume to comment on the actions of a bereaved parent. Foul.

None of us know, unless we've been in the situation whilst also being prime minister of the uk (that would be none of us then) how we would act or what we would say. To assume that he's cynically exploiting the memory of his dead child is truly hideous and shameful.

Chun - x posts

DC does use Ivan (it would be nice to use the boys name I think?) to shut down debate, there's no doubting that but Jack Monroe is a naive fool to think that this twitter storm wouldn't happen, and frankly if she wants to have the moral high ground maybe she needs to keep her own kids out of her blogs and articles and stop using them to sell herself.

Because if she really thought about it then she is guilty of using a child's death for the same type of purpose that she is criticising Cameron for.

No, she isn't.

Are you saying that calling someone out on something is the same as doing that something in the first place? Don't be so ridiculous.

JustNeedAMoan: "He said “I don’t need lectures from anyone about looking after disabled people. So I don’t want to hear any more of that."

Yes, that's a particularly good example, as in that case, his son was completely irrelevant. Lord Freud had made some remarks suggesting that employers should be able to pay some people with disabilities lower wages because they couldn't do the job as well as an able-bodied person. No-one at all was trying to lecture Cameron on looking after disabled people.

Cameron's cynical use of his late son leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, I'm afraid.

I remember Gordon Brown talking about his daughter in a memorable speech about Scottish independence and I thought it was slightly gratuitous in that context but it's his right.
Tbh I have never had a very sick or disabled child and thank god, I have never lost a child so I have no right to judge someone who has been in that situation as to when they can discuss their children. It's their choice.

this thread leaves a nasty taste in my mouth..

The comparisons between Monroe using her child in her books / publicity and Cameron invoking his as a trump card in debates about health and welfare provision are utterly misplaced. Cameron is elected prime minister of this country and as such has a duty to and effect on each of us. Jack Monroe is selling cookbooks and we're all of us free to ignore her.

No such luck for the people relying on state support, eh.

Absolutely spot on lem

I'm with Jack on this one

see this link to Cameron's speech on the NHS at the party conference. It's vile.

apologies for linking to Daily Fail

We are in serious danger of losing our NHS.