To never want anyone to champion Jack Monroe again?

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After what she has tweeted about David Cameron. here

Like him or loathe him to describe the way he talks about his deceased son as 'misty eyed' and used for political gain is disgusting.

The greatest loss any of us can imagine is the loss of a child. Shock horror, even politician have real feeling. It's just awful that she would say that about another parent.

I don't care what she can do with a bloody lentil. Something's are just too low.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00ntmbf

In 2009 Rosa Monckton did this moving program about families living with disabled children and the hardships they faced, the burocratic hoops to jump through and so on,

she commented in the program with then GB in power and DC in the wings it was mind blowing that with two such powerful people in gov BOTH with disabled Dc they didnt do more to help.

This isnt a lab/con thing at all.

YABU op.

I don't think this is beneath DC to do.

He's got form for using his experiences as a parent of a disabled child.

I can't remember the details, but does anyone remember, and correct me if I'm wrong, how DC met a MN member in the run up to the election and empathized with her about the challenges of disability? Then, when he got in, he pulled the draw bridge up behind him, cuts everywhere and the mother was left in dire straits and considering asking social services to take her child into care.

Jack is not wrong. DC and his cronies are shits of the highest order.

It's only hurtful if you subscribe to the view that if someone has suffered a personal tragedy all negative comments related to that person's behaviour if they relate to that tragedy are off limits, even if that behaviour is bad. I think that's wrong.

I think if you're cynical enough to use your personal tragedy to further your political aims not only should you be called out on it but you should be pilloried for it.

All this tip-toeing around what is actually quite appalling behaviour because most normal people would never use such grubby emotional blackmail is inexcusable.

Incidentally I worked for the NHS under Labour and Labour were very much committed to putting services out to tender to private bidders.

I think Rosa Monckton is a decent person who tries to have some understanding of what ordinary families with disability
(esp with children with disability) face.

DC may be a decent person ( I doubt it, but I don't KNOW the man ).
GB may well be a decent person at heart.

But they had the power to help, and one did little (that I am aware of, I am happy to be corrected ... and one actually they made it harder.
And then DC uses his personal experience to shut down discussion.

It is hard to have respect.
But then, DC doesn't need my respect, does he?

Bollocks aermingers. She tweeted her view (shared by many) and as is required of her as a columnist. The backlash is not in keeping with the debate about NHS, it is sexist and rude. Even in here there are posters saying "bitch" without even addressing the debate. Presumably this is because they are in possession of very small vocabularies.

Small vocabularies/small minds.

You say potato...

I'm absolutely disgusted by everyone on this thread who agrees with Jack Monroes vile comments. It's foul in the extreme to presume to comment on the actions of a bereaved parent. Foul.

Meechimoo, that is manifestly ridiculous. It would certainly be absolutely wrong to comment on anything he says and does in his capacity as a bereaved parent, but no-one is doing that. What they are commenting on is what he says and does in his capacity as Prime Minister of the country.

The plain fact is that, when Cameronfeels himself in a vulnerable position because of justifiable criticism of what his government has done to the NHS and to disabled people, he regularly brings up his son, and follows it up with a comment to the effect that because he knows what it is to have a disabled son and to be a bereaved parent, therefore he is not open to criticism. We regularly get "Don't you dare say that" and "Don't lecture me" and similar orders. Bringing his son into the debate is his choice, not anyone else's.

If we all stepped back and allowed him to get away with that without comment, we would be colluding with him in shutting down legitimate debate. And we are all entitled to point out that there is only one person who is being vile and cynically using his son's death, and that person is not Jack Monroe.

Nope, not buying it. The backlash might not be very nice but you can't say extremely hurtful things to other people then play the 'poor little flower' card and demand nobody says hurtful things to you. She was deliberately provocative making that post and when you do provocative things you, er, provoke people.

Incidentally Jack Monroe constantly uses her own child to make her own political point so I don't think she has much of a right to criticize other people for doing the same thing.

I've never liked jack Monroe anyway.

Her recipes are useful but as a person I find her cold. And that tweet proves it. However it's done the job of getting her back to the forefront of the public eye again hasn't it?

Sceptical? Me?

i can't open the link and have no idea who this person is.
But scameron is guilty of this.
it doesn't stop him from deserving symathy for his loss
but he has used his situation to shut down discussion and to attempt to show he knows what caring for a disabled person is like, whilst cutting benefits and services to the very people.
the people who then froth about how dare you say this....well they have been sucked just as he planned.

Well said icimoi

Here is the last tweet that she has retweeted: john byrne @dbalfie "i hope ur child dies u smelly dyke cunt"

Cameron has brought his son into debates to try to make his point. He has shut down debate by explicitly telling others that because of his personal experiences no one can tell him anything about living with disability.

Because of his decisions to do these things he is fair game, IMO.

I don't disagree though that Jack Monroe uses her own child in similar ways. But I don't think she is wrong or beyond the pale to have said this.

I agree with her.

Is she playing 'the poor little flower card'?

I've looked at the two reports on this that I can find - Mail and Independent - and she doesn't appear to have commented at all on the criticisms of her.

There doesn't appear to be any comment from her on her Twitter account either. There are some choice insults though - I bet David Cameron is pleased to have people like that fighting his corner.

Perhaps you can point us in the right direction aermingers?

a few weeks ago in parliament after the Lord Freud comments about disabled people and the minimum wage. He said “I don’t need lectures from anyone about looking after disabled people. So I don’t want to hear any more of that."

^^ this

If DC refuses to engage in debates because of his son, how can we challenge his views? He should not use his son to shut down debate.

I agree with Jack it is something cameron does a lot.

Sorry, I've been dealing with an ill child of my own.

What I really object to is the whole 'misty eyed' its so patronising, like he's faking the tears. His son did actually die. Whatever she may thing about hi in sure he doesn't have to squeeze them out.

Do we say people who lose their husbands in war and then campaign for better funding for the MoD etc are 'pimping' their memory?

She uses her son to sell her books. She uses her experiences to argue for what she wants.

For DC and SC, having a disabled child and dealing with his death have probably shaped them as people. To suggest that it meant so little to them is just horrible.

Typing with a coughing baby on my lap, should say 'misty eyed', and 'I'm sure he'

she isn't running the country
she isn't the PM

YABU OP. VERY unreasonable.
I read the whole sequence of Jack Monroe's tweets and I can honestly say there is nothing offensive in what she has written. She didn't do a character assassination on DC which did happen on a thread here a few weeks ago where a poster started a thread basically taking him apart and was very personal. That I did find offensive, but JM's tweets I don't.

You effectively want her 'shut down' for highlighting what is reality for so many people, and as people further upthread see as a truly missed opportunity. Instead of opening dialogue and picking up from where he started on the campaign trail going round to Riven's house, DC has only talked about his son's disability and sad death as a means of shutting down dialogue.

Have you seen the level of abuse now being levelled at Monroe? People wishing that her child died? Can you imagine that? For stating a quite reasonable view which wasn't vitriolic. It is absolutely awful. And the DM are despicable for running sensationalist headlines about one tweet that was part of a general, measured critique of where things are at.

Anyway, the heartening thing is loads of people on this thread think you're wrong, and loads of people on Twitter are coming to Jack Monroe's defence. We need more people like her telling it like it really is.

She is bang on.

I agree with her 100%.

I believe why he often mentions his son because he is still emotionally still in a place that is very very painful, anything that is relevant to his son will bring up emotions they are at the forefront of his thoughts and he needs to talk about him in some way (which maybe he does in private too)

I do not think his action are political in anyway it is the only time i think he is genuine but they become political which I think is very sad

I feel very uncomfortable with the criticism against him regarding using his son for political gain

I didn't say the comments were nice or in good taste. But if you make nasty comments in bad taste yourself then I don't see how you complain when other people do.

But what it basically boils down to is that most of you seem to think that it's fine for someone you don't agree with to be criticised in unpleasant terms, but when you agree with somebody you think they should instantly become someone who is immune from any sort of criticism.

It doesn't work like that.

And her comment is that she is retweeting unpleasant comments. Which is what's shocked me about her. I just can't understand why she doesn't see the hypocrisy. She tweeted something really unpleasant about Cameron and is now retweeting horrible tweets which give the impression she is saying 'Look, poor me, people are saying horrible things about me on Twitter, isn't it awful'. Completely ignoring the fact that she's been tweeting nasty things about another person.

Um aermingers are you honestly comparing her tweet with the abusive tweet she has received? Really, honestly, you think they're of a similar nature??