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To never want anyone to champion Jack Monroe again?

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SuperScrimper · 24/11/2014 07:05

After what she has tweeted about David Cameron. here

Like him or loathe him to describe the way he talks about his deceased son as 'misty eyed' and used for political gain is disgusting.

The greatest loss any of us can imagine is the loss of a child. Shock horror, even politician have real feeling. It's just awful that she would say that about another parent.

I don't care what she can do with a bloody lentil. Something's are just too low.

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ArcheryAnnie · 25/11/2014 19:31

raltheraffe just because you personally or your friends care for anyone who is dying does not mean that those people don't exist. Lots of things exist that you will not have personal experience of.

People caring for people who have limited lifespans, and/or who are on their last months/weeks/days - their access to good healthcare and decent benefits is being compromised as well. I don't see how you can think this isn't happening just because you don't experience it.

ArcheryAnnie · 25/11/2014 19:32

"don't care for anyone who is dying", that should have read.

Icimoi · 25/11/2014 19:49

raltheraffe, clearly JM isn't unemployable - her employment record demonstrates that to be untrue. For a time she couldn't find employment which fitted in with her child care responsibilities, which I am perfectly certain is the experience of many, many mothers. Are you going to say they must all be unemployable?

And I would love to know how many of the minimum wage workers you employ are single mothers of small children in child care paid for at normal rates.

Delphinegreen · 25/11/2014 20:13

Yea she is punk, he's a cold lizard. it's not cool to use a dead child on either side.

I love her recipes and I don't tend to take my political opinions from any of my recipe book authors.

Iggly · 25/11/2014 20:17

YABU

raltheraffe · 25/11/2014 20:18

I have a few ladies who are single mums, one lady an Ethiopian immigrant has 3 kids and another lady has 2 kids. I do not know how much they pay for childcare as that is not my business.

I never said all single mums are unemployable and find it ludicrous you are suggesting I stated that

raltheraffe · 25/11/2014 20:21

Archery you have misunderstood what I have written.

She is comparing DC to carers. The vast majority of carers (at least in the 50 or so I know from the carers association are not caring for dying children).

I never said dying children do not exist or dying people don't exist. You are taking what I have said and twisting it to suit your argument which is a poor show.

landrover · 25/11/2014 22:20

I think she is an arse! But i am sure she will gain from the publicity!

PandasRock · 25/11/2014 22:42

EveDallasRtd, I don't know any of the things you list in your last post either.

But I know a hell of a lot about 'real life' caring as you so charmingly put it. There have been many offensive things said on this thread, but I think that takes the biscuit.

Having money does not remove you from the realities of real life caring. I am thankful every fucking day that I no longer (please do note the no longer) have severe money worries, but please do believe me when I say that is the least of my worries.

I have cared (first hand, full time) for family members from both situations. As a below-the-breadline, homeless person with less money than Jack Monroe had, and as someone relatively well off. The money makes less difference than you would think. Having money does not actually magic up services.

Icimoi · 25/11/2014 22:53

Having money pays for carers. Cameron made no secret of the fact that that is what they did. No reason why they shouldn't of course, but it doesn't put him in the position of most carers who tend not to be well off due to the fact that they can't work - due to their caring responsibilities.

EveDallasRetd · 26/11/2014 07:09

I apologise for offending you Panda. By 'real life' caring I meant the type of caring that doesn't come with high earnings and the ability to bypass waiting lists and open doors. The type of caring that sees a person having to choose between feeding their other children or buying specialised food for their profoundly disabled child. The type of caring that means a choice between heating a home or paying for adult sized nappies because your child gets through 12 a day and you are only entitled to 6. The type of caring that means hoists, ventilators, electric wheelchairs, stair lifts and spare rooms for medical equipment are a total pipe dream.

The type of caring that is completely dependant on services provided by the state - and are being taken away piece by piece.

I have no doubt that 'emotionally' David Cameron is going through the same as any other parent, but he did not have any of those concerns on top of his emotional distress. He was protected from that by his healthy bank balance and his position of authority. The people I'm talking about don't have that - That's real life.

ArcheryAnnie · 26/11/2014 08:52

You are taking what I have said and twisting it to suit your argument which is a poor show.

Uh, no, *raltheraffe^, I am doing you the courtesy of taking what you say at face value. I really don't think you are getting what people (me and others) are saying, as you are just repeating your existing points without any indication that you've either read or understood what everyone else has said, so I shall disengage now. I will leave you to your rather unkind and narrow view of the world.

ArcheryAnnie · 26/11/2014 09:06

PandasRock, having money does actually "magic up services", not least respite care, so that the carer can get a decent night's sleep from time to time, or spend time with their other family members, or hang onto their job.

Money pays for proper adaptations to the home, so that an already-ill person doesn't fall out of bed and seriously injure themselves, and when I'm at work and have to instruct the ambulance to break down the door over the phone, money pays to have the door replaced afterwards, so you don't have to live with an insecure home until you can save up.

Money pays for an adapted loo, and trained help to get the person there, so that the person you are caring for doesn't end up pissing in a pan in the living room, crying with pain because you have neither the training nor the physical strength to hold them up properly.

Money pays for transport to and from the hospital in the final months, so you don't run up an enormous overdraft just trying to manage all your caring responsibilities when they are three bus rides' apart, and the person you are caring for gets proper visits and proper supervision of their medical care.

Money pays for a leave of absence from work, so that you don't end up in the loos at work throwing up (due to lack of sleep plus grief and stress) twenty minutes before a meeting, and trying to splash water on your face so you don't look entirely deranged, all the time knowing you aren't on top of your brief due to lack of work and stress and grief.

Etc, etc.

None of this money keeps them alive in the end, of course, but it makes the journey through illness a hell of a lot different.

raltheraffe · 26/11/2014 11:30

Archery I see you are now disengaging because I am narrow and unkind in my thinking.

The only person who is unkind is Jack who has made a vile allegation. I do not particularly like dc and would never vote Conservative but this type of personal insult is cruel and unacceptable.

I want to also clarify what I wrote about why I would not employ this woman in my business. It has nothing to do with her being a single mum and I take it as a cheap shot that people are making that assumption especially when I employ single mums. The reason I would not employ her is her attitude totally stinks. She strikes me as a real trouble maker and has the emotional maturity of a teenager. I would not employ her as she would piss me off piss her colleagues off and annoy my customers

Icimoi · 26/11/2014 11:32

Well, raltheraffe, clearly a number of people have employed JM without having the problems you assume.

She hasn't made a "vile allegation". She has made a factual statement which is very fully evidenced.

RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 26/11/2014 11:35

raltheraf In fact it is you who is twisting a comment and making it something it isn't. Jack did not make a vile allegation, she pointed out something that many many other people have also pointed out. The allegation wasn't vile it was a factual reference to well reported and commented upon events. The events (Cameron's instances of cynical behaviour) are vile, pointing them out isn't. Jack didn't insult him, she didn't call him names, she noted what he has done.

You have made lots of vile personal insults about Jack though. You seem not to like it when people point this out, but that doesn't stop it being true.

raltheraffe · 26/11/2014 12:55

well she does not have a job with Sainsbury's any more and I hope the Guardian follow suit and sack her too.

Icimoi · 26/11/2014 13:02

Sainsbury's haven't sacked her.

RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 26/11/2014 13:34

The bile in this thread is unbelievable really.

dirkdiggler1 · 26/11/2014 13:36

How utterly vile. What a disgusting woman.

RabbitOfNegativeEuphoria · 26/11/2014 13:54

You mean Sarah Vine?

windchime · 26/11/2014 14:06

Jack Monroe will not give a stuff about what anyone thinks of her because she is rich, rich, rich.

Icimoi · 26/11/2014 14:10

Where do you get that from, windchime?

McFox · 26/11/2014 14:20

Facts seem to have no place in this thread. State a verifiable fact about dc's conduct and get pilloried, called names and shouted down. In the absence of facts to support such vitriol against JM, make them up!

limitedperiodonly · 26/11/2014 14:23

In what way is she 'rich, rich, rich'?

She received money for her cookery book and may have an advance for another.

Does she have a telly series? I'm not aware that she does but that would be very lucrative in its own terms and terms of book sales.

She had a deal with Sainsbury's, which was probably generous, and which I believe will not be renewed at the end of her contract. It may not have been anyway, but I wouldn't blame Sainsbury's for distancing themselves from her over this.

She is a columnist for the Guardian and that money keeps the wolf from the door but they're not big spenders.

For that, you'd have to have a column in the Daily Mail, like Sarah Vine and Richard Littlejohn...