To never want anyone to champion Jack Monroe again?

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After what she has tweeted about David Cameron. here

Like him or loathe him to describe the way he talks about his deceased son as 'misty eyed' and used for political gain is disgusting.

The greatest loss any of us can imagine is the loss of a child. Shock horror, even politician have real feeling. It's just awful that she would say that about another parent.

I don't care what she can do with a bloody lentil. Something's are just too low.

You should know the Tories are to blame for all the ills of the world Superscrimper so are open for any bilge and spite.

OP I've said several times my opinion on the tweet, I do think the wording is unnecessarily mocking.

At the same time, the reason that it is so shocking is because of what he, Cameron, has engaged in. You are talking as though the reference to Ivan is gratuitous. It's not. It is the very substance of what Monroe is attacking, and this response is precisely what Cameron is banking on to get away with not being called out!

Jm was right he does shut down challengers
The nhs is not safe in his hands

I've tried to be measured about this.

But David Cameron exploits Ivan for political gain.

It is obvious to anyone who watches his speeches or PMQs live rather than absorbing them through the filter of the right-wing media - who don't like Dave either, but that's what they're stuck with.

I don't know whether he does that because he's cynical, arrogant, stupid or deluded - or more properly, a combination of all four.

As Ginandsonic said: He uses his families loss to shut down debate

He just does. His message is basically he would never mess with the NHS because his son was treated on the NHS yet he is selling the NHS out from under all our feet. He shut debate down in this way not so long ago, it is crass and calculated in my opinion.

I can't imagine their loss, I am diametrically opposed to him politically, but I cried when I saw the photos of them after Ivan died. It was pure grief and horrible to see. But he is taking the services he used away from people in dire need, people who do not have the option to go private if necessary, or even see the best of what the NHS has to offer as I'm sure they did.

I agree with her too. The pain of losing a child must be truly agonising but she didn't say that he deserved it to happen or anything like that. She has had replies wishing death on her own child for god's sake. Now that is revolting.
DC's method of shutting people up by saying 'don't talk to me about caring for a disabled child' etc is not helpful and is quite exploitative, I can see her point, especially regarding the NHS.

If anyone has stooped low, it's DC. And kudos on Jack Monroe for having the ovaries to call it as it is.

I seem to remember a similar discussion being shut down on MN not so long ago ...

I agree with JM completely. DC was obviously, as a father, devastated at the loss of his son - but as a politician, he never misses a chance to use his son's death to close down his opponents point of view. He has no conception of what life is like for most people caring for a disabled child - and, frankly, he doesn't care about them. And he certainly doesn't care about the NHS...

I don't disagree with what has been said about DC's use of his sons death to shut down the debate, but JM's comments made me feel uncomfortable too, tbh.

I haven't seen the abuse sent to her, so I will look at that now.

Yes only a few weeks ago this issue was not allowed to be discussed on MN. The deletion message said that it was unacceptable to say on Mumsnet that DC uses Ivan's death for political advantage. What's changed now?

I thought it was a shitty, mean-spirited, nasty thing to say.

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Famousfor5 hopefully mn hq have realised that people will discuss this

I think she's absolutely right and he does invoke the memory of his son to shut down debate. I mean how do you continue to debate with someone whom had brought up their dead child without looking like a complete cunt? You can't.

People do it with all sorts of debate, bring up highly emotive and personal links and all it does is silence the other side and put people off engaging in discussion.

I think she may have been too blunt, but the substance of what she said was correct. Cameron does use his son to shut down debate. He claimed maximum allowances for his son whilst he was alive when he didn't need to, then shut down those allowances for families whose need always was far greater. Kudos to Jack for confronting him with it.

another one here agreeing with her

not rtft but am amazed it's been allowed to run for 13 pages

haven't other threads addressing this disappeared pretty sharpish?

and if so, what's different now?

do you think it's ok to try and shock people by negatively evoking the memory of a deceased child?

But that's not what JM did. It is Cameron who repeatedly and inappropriately invokes the memory of his dead child in order to make political points. JM was correctly commenting on the extremely negative aspects of that conduct.

I can't take her seriously as a social commentator at all. She has very limited experience of living in poverty (as others have said). I read an article about her online today, dated from more or less a year ago, which said she was going to marry her partner, a policewoman, in the New Year. But that's all changed as just a few months later she is now partners with Allegra McEvedy, co-founder of Leon, no doubt an extremely wealthy woman.

What she says is true of David Cameron. But Mumsnet was there before her. As is anyone else with half a brain. I take her tweets about as seriously as I take tweets from any celebrity.

She is not a politician, she is not a social commentator. She's a blogger with some good cheap food ideas.

if Jack Monroe wanted to make a statement about DC using the memory of his dead child in order to score political points, then she could have done so by other means without joining in on a twitter hashtag set up to bash him.

Lots of people on here saying they admire her for having the ball/guts whatever to say what she did but I don't think adding a trite remark on twitter is particularly admirable.

I say this as someone who is neither a fan of DC or JM.

Surely everyone is a social commentator if they comment on social stuuf? What qualifies anyone to be a social commentator?

She can be a social commentator if she wants to be, we all can these days.

I don't admire her
I just agree with her

As I said, DC using his son's death in a dubious way has been the subject of a Mumsnet thread which was deleted months ago. She really hasn't said anything new.

I don't think she claims to have said anything new, does she? This thread is about whether she should have said it at all. In my view, she should. Cameron needs to be called out on this tactic each and every time he uses it. If the publicity about this makes that more likely to happen, I'm all in favour.

Why would she tweet second hand thoughts though?

I see she's lost the sainsburys deal anyway.