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Substituted items online shopping

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Nymeria01 · 01/11/2014 22:07

Today Tesco's delivered my weekly online shop, which almost always has some pragmatic substitutions. However today instead of a pack of 8-15 Drynites I got size 6 night time pull ups. AIBU to think that you cannot substitute one type or size of nappies for another?

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LizzieMint · 02/11/2014 12:41

mimsy, yes I'd ordered a full size Christmas pud and they sent one sponge pudding. The most annoying thing was having to order it all in advance so that it would be ordered in (according to their website) which was clearly untrue otherwise they wouldn't have had to substitute! It was my first time doing a Christmas order, I've learnt my lessons since then

DealForTheKids · 02/11/2014 12:46

I've shared this one on here before, but a friend once had her raspberry jelly substituted... And was give KY Jelly instead Confused

5ChildrenAndIt · 02/11/2014 12:48

I think it's reasonable to offer her a choice! Some people would prefer to go out themselves to get correct nappies - some people would prefer to make-do with eg ripping the sides a bit & using Y-fronts to hold the nappy. I can't always get out of the house - so I'd rather be offered a make-do solution than face a soggy bed.

Tesco subs are always yellow bagged and flagged up at the top of the receipt - and can be rejected with no hassle.

5ChildrenAndIt · 02/11/2014 12:51

Maybe they should have subbed Dry-Nights with extra laundry detergent Hmm .

Honestly - DH& I have made more 'bad substitutions' & 'bad packing' on our own behalf than tesco ever have!

cozietoesie · 02/11/2014 12:53

KY jelly for raspberry jelly though? That is ......memorable!

katykoo · 02/11/2014 12:53

Blonde hair dye when I ordered medium brown ?

5ChildrenAndIt · 02/11/2014 12:55

I get more pissed off with 'no available substitutions' tbh. 500g plain flour - 'no available substitutions' - really?? And nappies. I've had a 'no available substitutions' for nappies - and I did make a Hmm face at the driver.

I think people moaning about bad subs will just mean that the pickets don't bother.

PandasRock · 02/11/2014 13:02

I had a 'no available substitution' for bread last night.

Really.

Ocado had no other bread item at all that they could pop into my shopping to replace the ho is Best of Both loaf they couldn't find? No white/brown/stoneground/whole meal/granary bread. No rolls or baps. No bakery loaves at all. For a shopping delivery after 9.30pm, ona. Saturday (so can even get out to buy in bread for Sunday breakfast).

I was not impressed.

The nappies sub was bizarre, and I would be pissed off. They mis-picked my Drynights the other week, and sent the 5-7 ones instead of 8-15, which was annoying enough, but dd1 can just squeeze into the 5-7s still, so not the end of the world.

wingcommandergallic · 02/11/2014 13:07

Fairly sure I've never been charged the original price for substituted products.
I don't do online shopping very often but when I do, it seems it's always the multi-buy offers that are never fully available and I end up paying a lot more for the new product and the original product if I accept the substitution.

slithytove · 02/11/2014 13:31

I was really annoyed with asda for not substituting. I was 3 days postpartum after a section and just home from hospital. Delivery was due that day with little angels nappies on it, and they sent no substitutions. A quick call to the shop showed that they did have both pampers and huggies in stock in the correct size. I can only conclude they didn't substitute them because of the huge price difference.

Made it far harder than it had to be but at least DH could nip out once back from work, not all new mums have that support.

CandODad · 02/11/2014 13:36

We did a shop for a parents only event at our school. To Ocados credit they substituted all 20 bottles of red wine we bought on offer at £5 each with a different bottle they were charging £15 a bottle for and honoured the £5 a bottle price.

RonaldMcDonald · 02/11/2014 13:47

I've had no available subs for both bread and milk
Very strange

angeltreats · 02/11/2014 14:04

We stopped bothering with Tesco deliveries the day they substituted a packet of turkey mince for a 13 pound frozen turkey.

GermanHouseCat · 02/11/2014 14:08

Instead of the veg I ordered (mixed pack of baby sweetcorn, green beans and asparagus, plus separate bag of carrots, bag of courgettes), Ocado sent me NO veg at all. Said they had no veg whatsoever to substitute it with.

On the same shop they substituted not one but two vegetarian meals with their meat equivalent, then the driver had a strop when I didn't accept.

I haven't used them since.

cozietoesie · 02/11/2014 14:14

I use two online supermarkets (neither Ocado) and have had a large variety of drivers. Not one has ever cut up rough about a refusal of anything.

whois · 02/11/2014 14:16

It may have been suggested on the picker's terminal, but would a degree of common sense be too much to ask?

Yes it is actually. They don't have time to think 'ohhh I wonder what this was for and what would be a nice sub'. In the dark stores they pick for multiple customers at once and just pick whatever the screen shows. Pick pick pick pick down the dark store aisles.

If you are still picked from a store then I think they do have full visibility of your list, but most places are picked from dark stores now.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogoves · 02/11/2014 14:20

I expect that's supermarket jargon, whois, but I can't help reading 'dark store' and thinking 'Aha, so that's the problem! Why don't they just put the lights on?'

As you were. Grin

cozietoesie · 02/11/2014 14:20

What is a 'dark store' ?

wingcommandergallic · 02/11/2014 14:47

It's a mock-up of a supermarket used solely for online deliveries but with no customers.

Think of it as a food warehouse.

Castle53 · 02/11/2014 15:12

Hi, long-time poster here, but namechanged for this for identification purposes. I work for one of the big four in a "dark store". This is an online shopping "warehouse" that doesn't have any customers. In our case, there are only dark stores in the southeast.

It's true that when a picker picks, they are picking for 6 different customers at a time, usually. The picking rate is about 180 items per hour! That's three items per minute, including walking, picking, bagging and substituting.

In the case of the nappies that the OP was talking about, the substitution that comes up on the picking device was probably what the OP was given. Many pickers don't have DC, so won't have a clue about nappy sizes.

In our store, there are five items that must always be substituted - Bread, potatoes, nappies, baby milk and milk. In our store, bakery bread is made to order, but sometimes things get dropped/the bag gets torn, etc, and we are not allowed to substitute other bakery bread, but we will substitute bagged bread like Hovis, instead.

I know that it's hard to believe, but we have almost run out of bread on occasion. Sometimes we can only substitute wholemeal for white and vice versa.

On the system, usually the substitute is the same brand of item. For example, if you ordered wholemeal Warburtons and there wasn't any, then the system substitute would be white Warburtons. I would substitute wholemeal another make, but that would take longer and my picking rate would go down.

To the poster who had a frozen turkey subbed for turkey mince, that couldn't happen in a dark store as they come from completely separate departments - frozen and chilled.

We don't have toys in our store, only food, toiletries and some limited other stuff like BBQ and celebration items like cups, napkins, wrapping paper, etc.

We have 40,000+! items in our store.

To the poster who complained about the lightbulbs, we have over 100 different lightbulbs to choose from so that's difficult for some pickers. They probably just gave you the system substitute.

Wrt gluten-free items, I would suggest you put a suggestion in the box as some pickers won't know about GF.

In our store, you couldn't substitute Jif lemons for Jif cleaner as they are in completely different aisles.

Re the crisps, it is possible that the crisps that were substituted may have been the only Walker ones available at that time. The picker really doesn't have time to think, "oh, multipack, let's see which flavours the customer wants. Meaty only." The picker would have seen "multipack" so would have tried to give the same number of packets and tbf, some customers would accept that substitute.

Wildfire has it. What one customer may accept, another wouldn't. The pickers don't know who they're picking for. 5children has it, too. We have a whole aisle crammed from top to bottom with different types and sizes of nappies. Many, many more than in your local supermarket. The sizes are pretty difficult to make out quickly, so it's easier to pick the suggested substitute as otherwise the picker loses time and picking rate.

Pandas I don't work for your particular supermarket, but it's entirely possible that there was no bread available if your delivery was for 9.30 pm on a Saturday. Ime most people want their delivery for Saturday am/early pm and there are lots of substitutions later on a Saturday. I'm not saying there weren't any bread items at all, but on our system, if the suggested substitution is not available, the device asks you to choose a suitable substitute. The picker might not have thought rolls and bread were the same.

Wingcommander At my supermarket you would not be charged the price of the substitute if it's higher than the price of the original item. You get charged the lower of the two prices.

I hope this (rather long) post has gone some way to explain what a "dark store" is and how the picking is done. Please feel free to ask any other questions Smile.

KingJoffreysBloodshotEye · 02/11/2014 15:21

Just be glad that the driver didn't hand you an octopus...

Confused

www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/times-supermarket-home-deliveries-went-horribly-wrong

LemonadeRayGun · 02/11/2014 15:24

But you can choose for things not to be substituted, you can also refuse the substitutions when they arrive, so I think YABU. Just decline whatever they have substitute de that you don't want.

I love the random substitutions, particularly in the supermarkets that do a price match, I've had some lovely bargains!

Justgotosleepnow · 02/11/2014 15:32

The pickers get seconds for each item. If it's not in stock they aren't given extra time to chose a sensible alternative. They are already out of time & need to move on to the next item. So unless you have put a note on for a sensible substitute then you will more than likely get what's on the shelf directly beside/ above /below.
That's warehousing picking for you.

Momagain1 · 02/11/2014 15:39

making notes is very worthwhile, since most of us do order pretty much the same things. once you have made a note, the note will be there already every time. So, for the formula mentioned on page 2, put a note saying "sub only with same brand" or even get very specific and describe the other options you will accept precisely, by cutting and pasting exactly the name they use for the other style.

MonanaGellar · 02/11/2014 15:46

That's was interesting castle! Thanks for sharing that Grin I'd not thought about pickers being timed. That's a very active job!

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