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to think my friend has joined a cult?

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PumpkinPieInTheSky · 15/10/2014 09:10

Known my friend for years, she is lovely. Funny, clever, friendly, raises loads of money for charity etc. One day she got her eye lashes done as a one off for a party and got chatting to the lady who was doing them. This lady persuaded her to buy a product from her - I remember my friend saying at the time that it was a hard sell and she didn't want to buy it.

She did buy it though and she is now hooked and now sells it too. She thinks others need to be persuaded as hard as she did to buy it. She genuinely believes she is providing a really helpful service and has stopped all her usual charity fundraising and all time is spent on "helping people change their lives" - ie sell them this product too.

On FB of anyone questions it she shouts them down and copies and pastes paragraph upon paragraph of "research" on it and then blocks the person.

She is being tagged in all sorts of posts about it now after some kind of huge meet up at the weekend, examples -

"So totally mind blowing experience over the past 4 days with amazing people. Abso loved every min of it guys thanks so much. Can't even put into words how i feel right now. The emotions, the ambitions, where this company is going. The scientific research is flawless... the peer study reviews OMG this is just the start... & where we not only as a company but where we as a team are going... this is ready for take off..."

"This was by far the most amazing experience ever, and to think this is work is just insane. Love the products, love the business, love the people and the positivity surrounding everything we are doing. "

"I'm sooo motivated to take my business to the next level and I want you all to join me!!! I want to make your life better, your family and friends life better. I promise... I can do this for you, all you need to do is PM me and give me a chance to prove it.
Life is too short to wait!
I don't want you looking back in a years time thinking "I wish I took a chance" own your own life starting today. I guarantee it'll be the best thing you've ever done ??
Come to this event tomorrow night (Details in the poster below) I will sort transport for you. An hour is all I ask, it will change your life. You've got absolutely nothing to lose but everything to gain XxX"

What has happened to my lovely friend? It is all she talks about now :( I miss her. Any problem you have she has an answer...her product! Some friends have bought it to shut her up but she doesn't even stop then - she wants you to buy more and more and then start selling.

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MrsDeVere · 26/10/2016 09:23

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SleepFreeZone · 26/10/2016 09:46

I have one of these woman involved in my son's preschool committee. She tried to suck me into some weight loss coffee shit but I cut her off immediately and said I knew all about the MLM schemes and wasn't the slightly bit interested. I said that it targeted vulnerable women, most of whom are desperate to find work around school hours and I didn't want any part of it at all. She did say she used to sell FL but got out of it as she didn't like the company or something.

The thing that really pisses me off is she is promoting her new 'business' through the preschools coffee mornings and fetes. I am so cross about it and she is so slippery that everyone thinks she is SO friendly. It's as though I can see behind the curtain. Anyhow she has done me a favour really as I was starting to bow to the pressure of getting involved in the committee and now there is no fucking way in hell 😁

LadyConstanceDeCoverlet · 26/10/2016 09:53

I made myself unpopular objecting to an FL stall at the primary school summer fair. Even if the mum concerned was paying for the pitch, I strongly felt we shouldn't be condoning something that drags people into what is essentially a scam.

SleepFreeZone · 26/10/2016 10:02

Exactly. By daring to state the bleeding obvious you just make yourself unpopular and in my case it would turn into a very shitty conversation I'm sure. So I'm just remaining polite and trying to keep my head down ( not helped that our children are friends 😁😁)

LagunaBubbles · 26/10/2016 10:05

Ive just sat and read all this and got a shock when I saw I had posted (under a previous name) - this is a ZOMBIE THREAD FROM JAN 2015!!!

SuperPug · 26/10/2016 10:12

I recently encountered this via Facebook. It makes me cringe. It's also downright dangerous- cures cancer? Fertility problems? Other people have posted that it's helped with their chemotherapy sessions. While I hope they are ok, and it may have helped as a placebo, it's horrible to manipulate people with a few diet pills.
Currently being bombarded by this on Facebook- argh.

YouOKHun · 26/10/2016 10:29

Oh yes LagunaBubbles you're right, it is an old thread. It appeared on the right hand sidebar so I just clicked through from there thinking it was current and knowing it was going to be about damn MLMs. It may be a zombie thread but sadly it's not a problem that's gone away (rather the opposite sadly) and I'm always glad to have a conversation about MLMs resurrected and continued. LadyConstance you are absolutely right - I have recently convinced the head of my DDs school to blanket ban MLMs from school fairs/events and from any school social media presence (advertising by stealth) and from being discussed in any meeting (e.g. PTA). Once these organisations and how they operate are explained to Heads, Parish Councils, Health Visitors (whoever runs groups, fairs etc) they generally don't want them around either.

justilou · 26/10/2016 10:50

I have blocked any friends on FB who try and spam me with products. I find it so predatory - manipulating your own friends and family so you can make a profit.

Ketsby · 26/10/2016 11:02

Life changing eyelashes :D

God, some people. I mean, it's pretty sad, they're given that drivel to copy-paste into their statuses and get sanctioned if they don't do it multiple times a day, but it's the internet equivalent of dancing in the town square in a bikini and one of those horse masks singing La Macarena. Embarrassing and you'll never live it down.

PlumsGalore · 26/10/2016 11:02

Excuse my ignorance, I know what MLM is the acronym for and understand what it is, but what is a BOT? Confused

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 26/10/2016 11:20

I'll come back and read this properly later but OP, feel very sorry for you. The only practice thing I could suggest is that your friend, if it's at all possible, takes a 'sabbatical' from her job rather than just up and leaves it?

Why aren't Trading Standards and other regulators taking more of an interest in this kind of crap? Angry

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 26/10/2016 11:21

*practical

GeorgiePeachie · 26/10/2016 11:24

Oh Juice Plus. I have a friend doing it too. I would never get involved. But I do like some of her posts.

MaQueen · 26/10/2016 11:29

A good friend got sucked into the Forever Living cult. It totally changed her personality everything was about the products.

Constantly bombarded with emails and texts, FB messages full of wild hyberbole. Thought she'd invited me round for a take away and chat, only to endure a 3 hour hard sales pitch from her and her 'Business Coach' trying to recruitment me.

She tried the same with a mutual friend who is a scientist. Our friend, politely debunked all the 'science' behind the products. This did not go down well.

She started harranguing DH at his office wanting to 'tap into' his clients. DH distinctly unimpressed.

She started spending every weekend with a bunch of 'amazing and totally inspiring people, who have changed my life and turned it into an incredible journey' social misfits

She resigned from her £35K a year NHS job to become 'International Company Director & Life Coach' (yes, really). In her first year of trading she earned a heady profit of £850...despite her rapid promotions to become a Platinum Cluster Diamond Leader (or some such nonsense). I know it was only £850 because her pissed off DH moaned bitterly to my DH about it.

Another year down the line, and her poor DH threw in the towel and walked out of the marriage claiming he 'didn't know her anymore.'

Last I heard she was still posting all over FB about her 'amazing' lifestyle, with lots of pictures of her posing next to a sports car, or on an exotic beach...except I know she had to let the sports car go years ago, and she hasn't had a foreign holiday since she joined Forever Living.

She threw away everything (lovely DH, beautiful home, naice holidays) for a small handful of cheap tinsel glamour, that turned to dust when she grabbed at it.

Evilstepmum01 · 26/10/2016 11:39

Argh! I had this with an old friend. She started with those wraps, then it went to Juice plus, then Younique (fuck me, how expensive is that make up!) Now she does Avon.
Wtf, how can mascara be life-changing? Saw a video last night of a friend victim trying to flog Youniques hideous new lip stick range! I shit you not it was 40 mins of orange, purple, blue and brown lipstick! Vile! Oh hun, pm at the end if you're interested and you get a FREE lip exfoliator-so lovely you can eat it!
Amazing is the key word for these companies. Life-affirming was the best one I heard, Its fuckin make up, not a necessity! Boss babe, join my team and earn thousands a month! PM me for prices!

Fuck. Right. Off.

I have noticed tho that both fb friends that were annoying me with this shit have suddenly gone quiet and no longer post about it. Guess they realised its not making money unless you're a heartless bitch who pushes bullies family and friends to 'join their team and travel the world!'

Babblehag · 26/10/2016 11:45

I was sucked into the forever living cult, wanted to earn a bit of pocket money but stay at home with the kids, was doing Avon but somehow got duped into going with forever. I'll give you a bit of insight into how these companies work, you start off with a fairly reasonable commission rate, on the products you sell but the more you sell the higher your commission goes, you then get bonuses for recruiting people, and then once they're recruited you earn a bit of their commission too, and if they recruit, you get a slice of each of their downlines commission, and so the pyramid starts, also, if you have a customer that pays for something that costs however much it is to qualify for joining up, then you can offer that customer a 15% discount on all products there after for being a vip customer, what they dont realise is actually they are now a downline, not expected to recruit but for everything they purchase they'll be contributing to there uplines commission. Now in terms of these big fancy meetings etc, You actually pay for those, and you are expected to pay for everything, you get a ticket which costs £25 plus, then you pay for your own travel, your expected to dress smartly, preferably in a suit, and if there is a meal you pay for that too. all horrifically over priced, and fake it til you make it is a thing.

The way they get out of oh its not a pyramid scheme is because they do sell products. Albeit a small range of horrifically over priced products, but they actually have a physical product to sell, so its a loophole on the typical pyramid scheme.

You'll also hear a lot of cars being given away, car plan etc, this is a massive scam, firstly, you need to be making the company a lot of money through recruits and sales, then, you need to stay there, then they'll "buy" you a car, on finance, but if you don't stay or improve at that level (earning tens of thousands for them) then that really expensive mercedes you've been given, you need to pay for or send back.

The biggest thing is the fact they will trounce well known companies through the mud, forever living do it with quite a lot of well known cosmetic companies, saying they test on animals etc. When I joined forever living, I got a massive info pack explaining all the good it can do according to this doctor and that doctor and this VET and that VET, yes I said vet. For a company who pride themselves on never having tested their products on animals, they recommend using a hell of a lot of their products on animals. Toothpaste for dogs, deoderant for horses eyes, sprays and gelly for sores and rashes on animals.

And dont get me started on the clean 9. My upline, was also someone who i thought to be a good friend, In just 1 year, she had done 4 clean 9 cleanses, and lost 10 stone, she was a forever celebrity, her ad was used all over the place, everyone who had an flp friend saw her semi naked and going from large to slim after just 4 clean 9s. It turns out she was a big fat liar and had actually had a gastric band surgery, which was why she lost so much weight.

I spoke to an ex arbonner who told me she had "invested" over £1000 in two years on products to show case. she made £100, in the entirity of two years.

These scams need to stop.

LagunaBubbles · 26/10/2016 11:45

The chances of OP replying Lyingwitch are quite slim - this thread is nearly 2 years old!

Toomanydragons · 26/10/2016 12:00

This might be an old thread, but depressingly it still goes on and on and on.

It so infuriating!

Motorheadmum · 26/10/2016 12:14

I have a friend who was with Juice Plus, then went to the opportunity company which was just more of the same and is now flogging weight loss tea and coffee. All within a year, she still hasn't made her fortune and the results shown are less than slimming world..

Feel sorry for her as she is a genuinely nice lady but the facebook full of rubbish is starting to annoy me... a lot!

Tallulahoola · 26/10/2016 12:41

Babblehag I've always wondered - do they give you templates for things to post on FB? Because friends who have done Forever Living and Arbonne and others suddenly start writing posts in the kind of language they would never have used before. They're all so samey, are you told exactly what to write or particular words you should use?

PausingFlatly · 26/10/2016 12:46

PlumsGalore, bot is short for robot or spambot - because of the change in personality and constant spamming MaQueen describes in her post shortly after yours.

MaQueen · 26/10/2016 12:46

I think there must be some sort of template, or lexicon of 'required words'.

balence49 · 26/10/2016 13:10

I have a friend that tried this with me. She is selling some aloe thing and make up. I am the most un makeup person ever. As in she knows I do not own even one piece of make up...

I got the message I think because I am a sahm and I feel sorry for the school friend we had who she sucked in whilst on mat leave. My opinion of her has plummeted

CheerfulYank · 26/10/2016 15:17

Do you guys have LuLaRoe leggings there yet? If not, you will. Ugh.

A friend of mine was posting all over FB about an exciting new change in her life and how she couldn't wait to tell us...everyone was guessing all kinds of amazing things. When she finally did THE BIG REVEAL that she was going to be flogging leggings, everyone was like "...oh." Crinnnnnge.

InstagramBitch · 26/10/2016 15:35

Has anyone got a Stella and Dot twat who considers themselves a "stylist" because they flog some generic jewellery?

I also knew this girl at uni, who, when last I saw her at a 30th looked at me like Hmm WHO THE FUCK INVITED YOU? add me to her bloody Online Jamberry Party shite. Another friend who was "invited" then hosted one, more shite. It's possible that Friend 2 was sucked in as she felt chosen that hoity toity not even my Friend 1had deigned to invite her.

Jog on with it.

If I want jewellery, I'll choose it, if I want my nails done I'll get them done. Don't push tat my way.

It's a really annoying way of exploiting sentiment/sense of obligation in female friendship, and turning friendship into a money making enterprise.

Puke.

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