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To be so annoyed by 'helpful' dementia articles (long)

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adaughter0 · 13/10/2014 17:55

My mum has had dementia for the past three years. I recently read an article in a newspaper giving advice about how to care for a loved one with dementia. The gist of it was that you have to ‘see past’ the disease, as the person you love is ‘still in there somewhere’.

It said you have to be patient, keep calm, and try to inhabit the ‘dementia world’, wherever that is. It may as well have recommended buying a unicorn and riding it there.

I’m not going to pretend I have answers, because I haven’t. I’ve stumbled through the last three years with absolutely no idea if I’m doing the right thing or not.

What that article failed to offer, like most of the others I’ve read over the past three years, is useful, realistic advice about the hundreds of bizarre everyday challenges that dementia brings with it. They don’t tell you about the reality of what it’s like to live with this appalling disease.

They don’t tell you how to deal with your previously kind, gentle mother swearing at you and hitting you in the head as you desperately coax her into the shower to try and get rid of the ever-present smell of urine.

They don’t tell you what sort of nappies to buy when she becomes incontinent; let alone how you’re supposed to persuade her to wear one, or how to stop her taking it off and stashing it in a pillow case.

They don’t tell you how to persuade her to take her medication when she’s screaming that she’s going to call the police because you’re clearly a member of the Gestapo who’s trying to poison her.

They don’t tell you what to do when she thinks that the small boy you pass on your walk is her grandson and so wants to talk to him. Neither do they tell you how to placate the angry parents who think they’ve encountered the world’s frailest child snatcher.

They don’t tell you about the helpful passer-by who insists on intervening because they’ve mistaken her having a meltdown in the street (and you desperately trying to get her home) for a geriatric kidnapping.

They don’t tell you about the anger and resentment that arises when your siblings choose to become invisible and stop visiting, leaving you to deal with the whole sorry nightmare because they’ve got kids and you haven’t, and therefore you clearly have nothing better to do.

They don’t tell you about the hours of paperwork, endless bureaucracy and pointless meetings with Social Services you have to trudge through when all you desperately want is some advice and support, but it takes six months for them to assess whether or not you’re entitled to even get on the waiting list for advice and support.

They don’t tell you about the hours you’ll have to spend on the phone trying to claim disability benefits for her because the person on the other end insists that they have to speak to her personally in case, as her daughter, you’re trying to steal from her. They’re sorry but they really do have to check with her that this isn’t the case, regardless of the fact that she can’t remember her own name, let alone how to use a phone, because that’s how the system works.

They don’t tell you about the GP’s visible annoyance when you bring her to get checked for a urinary infection for the fourth time in six months, even though they were the one who advised you to bring her for regular checks. Of course she’s displaying peculiar behaviour, she has dementia, and they have lots of other patients to see today. Cheers doc.

They don’t tell you about the friends she’s had for years who gradually stop coming to visit because they ‘hate seeing her like that’. I’m pretty sure she hates being ‘like that’ too, but she could really do with a friend. They’ll all be at her funeral though, because that’s what friends are for, isn’t it?

They don’t tell you how to deal with the crushing realisation that she’s never even going to be able to phone you again, let alone see you get married or be a grandmother to your kids.

They don’t tell you how to channel the anger you feel when you realise that your fellow 30-somethings’ lives now revolve around marriage, mortgages and kids and yours revolves around a terminally ill, confused old lady who doesn’t even know who you are. They’ve chosen their responsibilities; you’d give anything not to have yours.

They don’t tell you how to not laugh when she insists that you give ‘the kids’ a bath, because ‘the kids’ only exist in her head but you still run the bath and carry out an impressively elaborate child-bathing mime because it makes her happy, and she doesn’t have an awful lot to be happy about these days.

They don’t tell you what to say when your 67 year old mother cries because she thinks she’s 12 and panics because she can’t find her (long dead) mother and she’s packed all her belongings and begs you to just take her home.

They don’t tell you about any of these things.

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Purplepixiedust · 13/10/2014 22:35

YANBU. Sometimes it feels like no one has a clue.

My mum died in June. She was diagnosed 3 years ago with vascular dementia during a stay in hospital. She initially went in with a uti and deteriorated rapidly, so confused, thought she could walk when she couldn't so kept falling, thought she could look after herself when she couldn't, asked for people who were dead, didn't know where she was and thought everyone was being horrible. It had been coming on for some time though, years even. She ended up staying in hospital 3 months, latterly with 1:1 care to prevent her hurting herself and then she moved to a care home. DOLs were involved.She had so many needs it would have been impossible to care for her at home. In addition she was anxious, aggitated and aggressive, asked continuously to go home and was convinced she was fine.

Dementia is very cruel and to live with it like mum did was hell on earth. The home were brilliant but I still often left in tears. In the beginning she used to be angry with me and aggressive and shouty but once I was removed from the caring role this did settle and she did used to beam when I visited or took my son. She used to think he was me though at times and me her sister.

While she was still able, We used to drink tea and talk about people who were dead as though they were still alive. Being in there world IS important. If mum wanted to tell me she had been shopping on the bus and seen someone who was dead, I would ask if they were well, what she bought, if she had a nice time, if it was cold out. I also used to see glimpses of my mun even when she could barely talk she would suddenly say a familar phrase in the right context. I usually cried on the way home on those days.

You do feel you are grieving while they are still here but I was surprised to find how much I cried when she died too. She was still my mum despite the dementia. I used to hope my visits helped her in some way and am sure at least some of the time they did and a familiar face was most welcome, even though she didn't know my name or that I was her daughter anymore.

I also found talking point forums on the alzheimers society web site a huge support. Check them out if you haven't already.

Good luck and gentle hugs to all dealing with this disease.

MrsAmaretto · 13/10/2014 22:47

YANBU.

Living with dementia is dreadful for all concerned. Those articles boil my piss. Alzheimer Scotland have a good network & support, but nothing can really help :(

pointythings · 13/10/2014 22:49

YANBU. My father has dementia. He is about to move into a specialist dementia care home that is state of the art - my parents are so, so lucky they can afford this for him, and Dsis and I so want him there.

He is at the stage where he still has lucid moments when the old him shines through - about 10 minutes at a time on a handful of occasions on a good day. Those moments are everything to all of us. Fortunately the rest of the time he is not aggressive, doesn't wander - he is just not there, the shutters are down.

Flowers for everyone who has a loved one going through this.

Switzerland for me too.

lightahead · 13/10/2014 23:09

A couple of suggestions which may help a bit, ask the GP to prescribe urine testing strips which pick up signs of infection and a course of antibiotics to keep at home to start without having to get to Gp. A specimen can be sent to check for sensitivity which you can collect at home. Many Gps happy to do this. Also consider covert medication if it helps or ask for everything that can be put to liquid form to do so. Sorry it's so awful, have you had a carers assessment. Is there a rolling respite programme in your area?

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 13/10/2014 23:11

The worst bit with my gran (vascular dementia) was that she remembered just enough to know that she had "gone funny" and be upset about it.

WerkSupp · 13/10/2014 23:18

Feel NO shame, butter. My husband works in a nursing home. Contrary to arses who chime up about 'slinging them into a home', 9/10 clients arrive long after the family is utterly exhausted, feeling extraordinary guilt and it's total BS, they are at the end of their tethers, often marriages and relationships have broken down and believe me, these people need support, too!

NO guilt at all, butter, please do not. These clients are in need of 24-hour professional care and there is no other place for it.

This is a horrid and cruel disease and, without further outing myself, if I am fortunate enough to get the hint of it in myself (DH feels the same), the first order of business will be to end it as thoroughly as possible and with least stress to whoever may find.

It is awful.

chickydoo · 13/10/2014 23:20

My Mum had dementia for 3 years ( post stroke) she was just 68 when she died.
Your Mum sounds like mine did.
Thanks

Suefla62 · 13/10/2014 23:28

My deepest sympathies to anyone going through this now. It's 12 years now since my Mum died, but we had lost our lovely Mum 7 years before that. It's such a god awful disease. Please take care of yourselves, and don't feel guilty for anything you need to do.

TraceyTrickster · 14/10/2014 01:51

your post made me cry as it summed up my mother so well. It was awful and now after her death I struggle to remember the vibrant funny entertaining woman of my younger days. Sadly my husband and daughter only remember someone who smelt awful, said weird rude things, often had no clue who I was, was foul mouthed, difficult, argumentative, had hallucinations, got nasty with her carers and us (mainly because she had no idea who we were)

It is an awful disease and I have to confess towards the end I was desperately wishing the end would come soon...it was inevitable just a matter of when. My siblings and I asked about Liverpool Care Pathway which the do-goody non comprehending idiots in the Daily Mail fought so hard to have quashed. Some large does of morphine would have made her end so much less pain free for her. The slow body/brain breakdown at the end was awful.

Stealthpolarbear · 14/10/2014 04:51

It is sad to see so many saying the same. I really agree that grieving is done as the person they were slips away, actual death is a relief.
My grandmas mum had it and then she had it herself. I have spent the last ten years worrying about my mum (and subsequently me) getting it.

Stealthpolarbear · 14/10/2014 04:55

And completely agree that when people with no experience hear about dementia they think of pleasantly confused (but fully continent) little old ladies (a bit like my dhs 90+ grandma is now!). Not someone who is physically attacking the people they love and accusing them of poisoning their food or stealing their handbag. Not someone whose hands are fists because the part of her brain that opens them up has stopped working. Not someone who is determined to go 'home' and is rescued by various taxi drivers and police.

claraschu · 14/10/2014 06:17

OP could you send your post to all the papers and magazines you can think of. Someone should publish it: it is so eloquent.

The loneliness and hopelessness of caring for a parent whom you have already lost and can't even really remember is just unbearably painful. No one wants to hear or think about it.

To all of us talking about Switzerland: my parents also said they would kill themselves, couldn't bear to be a burden, but it's not that easy. I think people wait too long, because it is a very strong instinct to stay alive.

Lovehorror · 14/10/2014 07:07

It's not only something that happens when your older either,my mum was 52 when she was diagnosed,now 10 years later I feel I lost my mum all them years ago with only a shell left now.

Delphiniumsblue · 14/10/2014 07:23

YANBU
I really think your OP needs a wider readership and think that you should try and get it published.

KikitheKitKat · 14/10/2014 08:56

YANBU and well written OP.
My DM is only in the early stages of dementia but I dread so much her future that can't help hoping, as I watch her puff away on her cigarettes after a heart attack a decade ago, that her heart gets her first.

Wowthishurtsalot · 14/10/2014 09:20

My heart goes out to you all.

I work with people with dementia and hear what you're saying about not being able to deal with agencies directly sadly it's to do with the data protection act a lot of the time and we always always have to presume the individual can tell us about their circumstances unless it's evident to the contrary. It's horrible for us and it's horrible for you as a family I realise but it really is done in the best interests of your loved ones as its there to safeguard the few whose families do take advantage of them, and they sadly do exist.

I have heard many of these stories hundreds of times over in my working life and they never fail to hit home with me.

My heart and admiration goes out to all unpaid carers without whom our public and charity sectors would be on their knees.

Balaboosta · 14/10/2014 09:42

You write brilliantly - you should write the articles! Your post is a real eye-opener to someone like me who has no experience of this themselves. Sending you best wishes and Thanks

Ellisisland · 14/10/2014 10:08

OP I agree with everyone else who said please write this post to the magazine where you saw the bullshit article

We have just made the hard decision to put my grandpa in a home. My former proud navel grandparent is now a shell of his former self who has no idea who I am. He was getting so violent with my nan that I was dreading calling round one morning to find her in a heap on the floor. He was always so gentle it's awful to see.

Since he has gone into the home though he is calmer and more stable. And the staff are fantastic who can deal with him much better my poor man who had no idea how to cope.

Also being the ones who stay and care and keep going is something to be proud of. My sister has totally checked out of the whole situation which had made me realise that when my parents get old I am on my own Sad

Thanks and online support for anyone dealing with this awful disease

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 14/10/2014 10:28

Yanbu, and yes, you are a fantastic writer and should write a book! Flowers

In my case its my nan (early seventies), just diagnosed with alzeimers this year. Shes been obviously ill to us for years :( And the articles dont tell you how to deal with getting a diagnosis when she pretends she is fine, the doctors appointments are short enough that they dont see "the loop", and her husband lies to her doctor as he is so scared they will lose the little independence they have (he is also physically disabled).

She has a persistent mrsa infection that requires the nurse to clean it daily, and she thinks the nurse is evil and puts up a fight every day. She cannot be left alone for even 5 minutes as she thinks hours have passed. She will talk to people about how others are having affairs and all manner of fictional stuff.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 14/10/2014 10:30

Oh and yy to the phone calls from the dwp. My grandad had to speak to them recently and for the whole phone call she was in the background shouting "theres nothing wrong with me, he is lying so they will take me away". Yet they still want to speak to her.

rumbelina · 14/10/2014 13:50

Oh god we had the phone call thing with banks, it was a nightmare. My granny didn't have a clue who she was talking to, and was deaf. One time she asked us what her password was, my mum read it out of her notebook and they wouldn't proceed because we'd given her the password, she hadn't known it from memory. FFFFFFFS.

Anyway more Thanks to everyone. I am struggling with how my granny is as it distresses her in various ways but it's nothing compared to what you are facing, OP.

tharsheblows · 14/10/2014 14:46

I haven't been through this at all but read the thread this morning and just came across this on Twitter from @guysmithreports :

If you want to take part in a special radio programme about dementia e: [email protected] You’ll need to be free 1700 17/10 in London

(link to tweet - twitter.com/GuySmithReports/status/522011748602482688 )

I'm not a journo at all but as people have said, these are eloquent and heartbreaking posts, and deserve to be more widely read, plus that magazine article sounds actively unhelpful, so I thought I'd mention.

Flowers to all of you dealing with it.

AcrossthePond55 · 14/10/2014 15:13

If any of you do take part in that broadcast, print and take this thread with you and show it/read from it to the producers. You have my express permission to quote anything I've said.

So many people who've never been through what we're going through just think that our loved ones are like that little old granny/gramps on the telly who puts their glasses in the fridge and think the mail carrier is their son/daughter and tries to feed them cake. Awww, that's so silly and sweet, what's the big fuss about? The reality of dementia wouldn't 'play well' and is so frightening and ugly that the media tries to downplay it. Articles like OP read try to offer the families coping with this bandaids as a solution for gaping wounds.

CopyWoman · 14/10/2014 17:25

Yanbu. I don't read about it, talk about it watch any of the programmes about it. My dad died from it two years' ago. It's hideous.

allpassionspent · 14/10/2014 17:42

YANBU. Flowers You are just being honest. This is how it is.
My dad has dementia and the experiences described on this thread are making me shout Me too! Me too!

It's a merciless condition that makes victims of those who suffer and those who care.
Flowers for all of us