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aibu to think midwives should not strike.

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ninjasuperted · 13/10/2014 12:23

I totally understand that they have a point, and i don't blame them, but would they not have more LEGAL clout if they just stuck to their contracted hours, and didn't do unpaid overtime.

surely that way the nhs bosses would notice that more midwives were needed?

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duchesse · 14/10/2014 08:11

When I say no consolidated pay rise, I mean he's had no inflationary pay rise since 2003, and has received only performance-related increases that are not consolidated year on year. Ie his basic pay has remained the same for ten years, unless he does something super-duper every year. In that time, most of the things we spend our money on have doubled in price.

FishRabbit · 14/10/2014 08:16

Duchesse, it's not just about our hours or how hard we work. As someone above said, why is it a race to the bottom? Why are we all just saying "Ahh, well, everyone else in the public/some private sector is skint so that's ok for me too"...

None of us should accept being treated like poo.

(I'm aware that's too your dh, not to you).

Chipping, me too! But it won't happen. Also, there are loads more of us than them so annoyingly, we can't just have their cash. 11% would be nuts! :-)

hackmum · 14/10/2014 08:17

Midwives are in that ridiculous, paradoxical position where they are performing an absolutely essential service and therefore not doing it would put people's lives in danger - which makes it almost impossible to go on strike and demonstrate what an essential service it is.

The government's refusal to give them even a measly 1% pay increase is disgraceful.

FishRabbit · 14/10/2014 08:32

Also, I'm aware it's all health care professionals who are in this boat...

MrsMook · 14/10/2014 08:56

The system was creaking when Ds1 was born in 2010. There was a substantial difference in care between a 14:1 ratio and 8:1. The difference in quality of individual staff members was very noticeable as they then had chance to treat you like a human, not as a piece of meat. I was very weak following the birth, and was rushed out of HDU to clear the staff member to main ward. I dropped my baby on his head when my body used up its last strength leaning over to put him in the crib. There was no point in adding my buzzer to the cacophony of buzzers that went on and on. When DH wasn't there to help me, I felt abandoned.

When Ds2 was born in the same hospital, it happened to be quieter and the care was much better.

Having a baby safely shouldn't be a lottery of shift patterns and the luck of how many others are born that day. The system has been limping on, creaking for years with enough time that a positive result could have been evident by now. I see no choice but to support strike action because it's better long term than no action or work to rule.

anothergenericname · 14/10/2014 10:15

I also want to point out that no part of a midwife's job is non-essential or will have no discernible ill effect on the women in their care.

When I had my DS I ended up with an EMCS, something about which I had had nightmares. I was cared for throughout my labour and operation with no issues. However once I was on the Obs Ward, no longer critical or time-sensitive, the staff were not available to care for me. No water. Nobody to give me my baby when he cried. Nobody to clean me up. Nobody to explain how to care for a newborn. Nobody to sit with me and reassure me that it was OK that I had just been through the most terrifying experience of my life and that I was not alone and would be cared for. They didn't have the staff and those staff that were available were tired, over-stretched and irritable.

Three years later and I still have mental health issues related to that experience. PTSD, flashbacks, anxiety, depression and a fear of being alone that is beyond ridiculous for a woman in her thirties.

Don't you dare bloody tell me that I didn't need care at that point just as much as I had whilst in labour. We need more Midwives. They need more money and less work. I am so in support of their cause and their strike. I would happily pay more tax if I could be assured it would go to staffing issues in the NHS.

As it is I am working extra hours in order to hire an Independent Midwife, because it is the only way I can cope with the thought of going through pregnancy and birth again. It's the only way I can be assured that I will not be left alone when I am at my most vulnerable and needy.

VivaLeBeaver · 14/10/2014 21:17

An open letter to Jeremy Hunt

Mr Hunt

Today, I coordinated and took part in a strike after a ballot by the RCM. That's the first time in 133 years, 34 prime ministers, countless recessions and two world wars; Midwives downed their gloves and warm towels to trudge outside with heavy hearts and stand in the rain.

Mr Hunt, if you genuinely believe that the NHS is a place to sit back and relax and get annual pay increases simply for 'years in service' then I challenge you to come and join us at work for a week.

Those annual pay increases actually reflect the fact I'm a different person since I was lucky enough to qualify as a midwife five years ago. I skipped out of university with a diploma in higher education and a professional registration. Under the nurturing wing of experienced colleagues, I was given a small number of patients on every shift to concentrate on.

Every single woman I've cared for in those 5 years has taught me something new. In return, I've worked very hard to ensure that I've gathered as much experience as possible to be the best midwife for them. Five years on, I am educated to a masters standard and I take responsibility for entire wards, perform specialist medical examinations and complex procedures and make life-changing decisions unaided. In turn, I mentor junior staff and students, to inspire them the way I was by my amazing team of colleagues.

Midwives don't complain; we don't complain that we stay later than our paid shift, that we miss our meal breaks, we don't complain that we leave our families on public holidays to care for yours. I have cried with exhaustion after working back to back shifts and compromised my own health because I didn't take toilet breaks during long shifts. Do you know what? I'd do it again a 100 times over because I'd never want to think that a woman or her family went without anything at this, the most special and vulnerable time of their lives.

But the straw that broke the midwives stoicism, is you Mr Hunt. By saying that we are not worth an extra 1% of our wages per year, so that after those longs shifts where we are wrung out from being bowled over by other people's elation, joy, pain and sadness; we can come home safe in the knowledge that we can cover our bills this month.

I'm not going to finish by begging you to throw me bone here, I know there is a deficit and everyone needs to tighten their belts. However, the health service in this country is the backbone of what makes this country great. United, it is the workers that help to keep it strong. Individually, it certainly wasn't their fault that the country got into deficit; so stop stealing from our pockets to line your own. If you have to alter our wages, do it in a way that is legal and fair; we aren't unreasonable, so consult with us. Don't do it in this underhanded fashion where you are trying to break down the incremented system of pay in order to justify your actions. Certainly do not put me down and say I didn't earn my increments and therefore that can pay for my cost of living against inflation, because all of the women's smiling faces told me that I did earn it.

VivaLeBeaver · 14/10/2014 21:18

That letter is not my own btw. I've copied it. But I agree 100% with it.

itsbetterthanabox · 14/10/2014 21:23

I was my friends birthing partner. She had 3 different midwives across her birth (we were in the hospital about 14 hours) because they changed shifts. Is that not normal?

VivaLeBeaver · 14/10/2014 21:25

Depends on the hospital. Some do "normal" shifts which tend to be 7.5 hour shifts in the day (an early and a late) amd then a longer night shift. So if you come in in the morning you could easily get three different midwives in 14 hours.

Other hospitals do 13 hour shifts. One day shift, one night shift.

MiaowTheCat · 14/10/2014 22:27

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smileyhappymummy · 14/10/2014 23:26

Not a midwife but another nhs worker. I completely support the strike.

And I had no idea what I was getting into when I signed up for this job. I thought I'd work hard and do my best. I didn't think I would virtually never get a chance to eat lunch at work. Not have a lunch break mind you, not expecting that, but not even get to eat a sandwich whilst doing paperwork because it takes me 5 minutes longer to do the paperwork whilst eating at the same time. I didn't think I'd be crying in the toilets because I was exhausted after an allegedly 13 hour shift moved into its 16th hour, and then going out and smiling at my patients. I didn't think I'd find myself wondering if emigration is the best option, despite the fact that my family and friends are all here, because I just don't know if I can do this for the rest of my working life.

It's not just about the pay but if you're working as hard as you possibly can and have seen your salary drop in real terms, your pension get worse, your working conditions get worse, and then the government refuse to accept the pay recommendations of an independent body, it's a massive slap in the face.

sashh · 15/10/2014 04:29

But would assume paperwork was in there, and patient aftercare ( when no immediate emergency would cause deaths) could be neglected should an emergency arise.

Bloody hell, the paperwork is important too. Drugs given and when need to be recorded for the sake of the patient and in order to order new drugs for the next one.

Things like the weight of the baby, whether it needed oxygen etc.

You cannot just walk away if you are a midwife or any other health care worker.

Caboodle · 15/10/2014 19:35

Smileyhappymummy...reading your comment made me sad; can't believe we have pushed our midwives/nurses etc so hard. Awful. I know it does not compensate for the work you do and the conditions you work under but we are grateful.

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