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unleashingtheflyingmonkeys · 11/10/2014 23:19

Hi all,

I was talking to one of the in laws today. I am currently pregnant, on maternity leave from work, as well as a full time student, and due any day. We were discussing my plans for next year, when I'll go back to work, study etc. She said I was selfish, and I should have more time off so I can be a 'proper mummy'. I asked her to clarify, and she thinks that theres nothing wrong with my parenting, but thinks my kids should be my only focus. She then said she was a 'full time parent' and loves it, and its something I should think about.

All of her friends and most of her family stay at home after having kids, and I have never given it a second thought. I think Mums and Dads should do whatever is best for them, their kids and their circumstances. But I dont think returning to work or study makes them less of a parent.

I also think that just because someone works, it doesn't make them less than a full time parent. Every parent is a full time parent, full time worry, love, responsibility. I feel she was belittling me by describing herself as a full time mummy, and said I am one too NOW I'm on maternity leave.

Being hormonal I was a bit short with her, as I would normally ignore it. I said that my choices are based on what is best for my kids, and for me, and that I am entitled to feel like more than a Mum. I love my kids and my family, but feel that is not all of who I am, and whilst I can balance everything and keep my kids happy, why shouldn't I? I don't judge other Mums based on their occupations as being a parent is hard regardless, but don't feel she should be looking down her nose at me because I don't spend every waking moment with my kids. We spend lots of quality time together, I don't have money worries thanks to my part time salary, and I feel fulfilled by finishing my education. Their childminder is amazing, and is very good at arts and crafts, and teaches them skills, like drawing etc I don't have. We have become firm friends over the years and she will be my babies godmother, so again they are not being 'abandoned' as she put it.

I'm pissed off she put me in a situation where I felt I had to justify my choices to her, in front of her friends and the rest of her family, like shes somehow superior to me. I honestly felt she was trying to shame me in some way. I don't see the need for a divide, why can't a mum simply be a mum, without the words 'working' or 'stay at home' attached.

I have said to DP that I want to avoid this person, as I felt she has crossed a line, and been offensive. I also said to DP that I feel an apology for the way she said what she said, and how it came across. I think there is a way of expressing an opinion without being insensitive or offensive. I also think that in some cases, if you don't have anything positive to say, its better not to say anything. He accused me of being 'precious' and told me to ignore it, and not be childish. Also that I owe her an apology for my parting shot, and humiliating her in front of family and friends. Not convinced as you'll read below.

Relevant history - I have kidney issues, bladder issues and issues with a crumbling disc in my back - so thanks to the medication I have to take for these conditions, have never been allowed to breast feed, due to the medication crossing into the milk apparently. The advice came from my Doctors so I didn't breast feed. She embarrassed me hugely with my first, by saying I was 'one of those Mums who bottle feeds' and tried to lecture me on the benefits of breast feeding. If it were possible I would have breast fed, or attempted to, and made that method of feeding a priority. But I couldn't, she knew why but continued to bring it up in public, and made me feel ashamed I couldn't 'feed my child properly'.

She also said to her friends today 'shes one of the bottle feeding brigade' and laughed. Again I felt judged and felt the need to explain to people I didnt know why I couldn't BF. I appreciate BF is best, but again its personal choice for some women (I know it wasnt for me). I think shes an arse for judging other women and their choices, and said so to her face. My parting shot to her, was that 'life is hard enough as a Mum, when you worry your best is good enough, and that your are doing the best for your child, without judgemental women making you feel worse. If people spent as much time supporting each other, as judging the world would be a better place'. Then left. Then cried in the car for half an hour. Bloody hormones.

AIBU to be pissed off at what she said and what do I do about future interactions with her - avoid or suck it up x

OP posts:
AnythingNotEverything · 11/10/2014 23:22

You need to spend less time with this women.

unleashingtheflyingmonkeys · 11/10/2014 23:28

I don't choose to spend time with her, there are some social gatherings, family occasions etc, where its impossible not to see her. She also lives in the same small village, so if I see her whilst out having coffee etc, she will sit down, and it gets awkward if I try to make an excuse and leave. A lot of the time, when she sees me she makes a bee line for me and stays put.

She is quite close with DP and his family as well, so again unavoidable a lot of the time. With baby due any day she will want to come round, and see baby, and it would cause problems if I straight out banned her.

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futterwacken · 11/10/2014 23:28

Roll your eyes and ignore everything she says. Women who pick apart other women are not worth anyones time.

Fedupofplaystation · 11/10/2014 23:29

Agree with Anything.

Is this woman a close relative OP? Or would it be possible to avoid her?

Pico2 · 11/10/2014 23:29

She sounds like she needs to be told to fuck off. I'd have more of a problem with the BF/FF comments than the WOHM/SAHM stuff.

I think perhaps you are too nice about it. I don't have any problem with people making the right decision for themselves, but could certainly give the impression of being equally judgmental back at them if they started spouting that kind of crap at me. And I'd do it just to wind them up and amuse myself.

futterwacken · 11/10/2014 23:30

I can see why you have to have her feature in your life but you can just go LALALA in your head when she speaks.

wowfudge · 11/10/2014 23:30

I think you have to take everything this thoughtless cow says with a very large pinch of salt. Difficult though it is, don't take it to heart.

Your DP should have been more supportive of you. From what you've posted, I don't believe you owe her an apology - it was very well put! Flowers

Pico2 · 11/10/2014 23:31

She can come round and see your baby while you are "having a nap" and your DP can deal with her. Does your DP know how rude she is to you?

Pico2 · 11/10/2014 23:33

You definitely don't owe her an apology - she brought that on herself and you were pretty restrained.

Spadequeen · 11/10/2014 23:34

She has no problems making you feel awkward, don't worry about her feelings, do not apologies to her and your dp needs to support you

HamishBamish · 11/10/2014 23:34

Dear me, this woman sounds like a right piece of work. To openly comment on how you fed your baby is out of order anyway, but particularly nasty as she knew why you had chosen to bottle feed.

Take heart from the fact that any reasonable person would think her behaviour is really nasty and her comments don't reflect on you, just on her. Avoid her as much as you can, but when you have no choice but to see her just try to let her idiocy wash over you.

HamishBamish · 11/10/2014 23:35

Also, under no circumstances should you apologise.

Lookslikeimstuckhere · 11/10/2014 23:38

I think your parting shot was perfect.

YANBU, I would have been cross and I'm not pregnant!

unleashingtheflyingmonkeys · 11/10/2014 23:38

Shes DP sister, and shes equally rude and judgemental to everyone apparently. Always has an opinion, what car to have, career, holiday, endless parenting 'advice', politics etc - I think the family, through having years of her shit are immune to it and it doesnt register with them when shes being a knob. I on the other hand aren't used to it, and she for some reason gets under my skin. I wouldnt choose to talk to this woman if she wasnt related to DP - he doesnt deal with her as she makes a bee line for me and he makes himself scarce. I'm going to stop that and let him talk to her and get busy doing something else. But I think the trying to show me up in front of others needs to stop. DP refuses to address it with her, as she will get defensive and its not worth the row, and I need to ignore her apparently.

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Lookslikeimstuckhere · 11/10/2014 23:42

I'm with futterwacken. Although, rather than LALALA, the words in my head would be a lot stronger.

It always pleased me to do that when talking to someone I don't like.

unleashingtheflyingmonkeys · 11/10/2014 23:43

Oh and ive been asked to text her an apology to keep the peace, and have refused to. DP is going on one as apparently it will make things awkward when baby arrives, felt like saying its only awkward when you're bothered about her, ill be fine im sure.

Thanks everyone, felt like I was losing my mind a bit there x

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Pico2 · 11/10/2014 23:51

Well really it needs to be awkward until she apologises to you. But it might be easier for you if it is awkward, then at least she won't feel free to spout crap like that at you.

PercyHorse · 11/10/2014 23:52

Well done for making such a measured and eloquent comment to her. You don't need to apologise to her at all. What she said in front of others about you bottle feeding, when she knows full well that you cannot BF because of the drugs you need to take to keep you healthy, was particularly spiteful.

MrsPiggie · 12/10/2014 00:03

Trying to get your point across to a bigot is a pointless exercise. If you can't avoid her then you'll have to start counting sheep in your head when she's talking. No wonder she makes a bee line at you, she can't have many friends with that sort of attitude.

unleashingtheflyingmonkeys · 12/10/2014 00:18

I've no idea what her problem is. I've been a bit down anyway, due to losing my Grandad in January and have found this pregnancy hard due to my back. My In laws commented about what a trooper I am, and how I'm not a moaner and just get on with it, which was fab as they rarely show support and her face pinched and shes been worse since. I don't know if its jealousy (though no idea what there is to be jealous of) or I am just someone she likes to be nice to when we are on our own then jump on when there is an audience.

Thanks for your comments. When I spoke of this with DP, I said regardless of my reasons for bottle feeding, how I feed our children is none of her damn business, and theres no need to comment. I said if he were unhappy with how they are fed, or who looks after them he would be the only one I'd discuss it with. But hes been fab through my bereavement, pregnancy, uni, working, he pulls his weight, encourages me, and has never said hes unhappy. So her opinion is unwanted and unhelpful. He said he agrees, but shes always been like it, and its less hassle to ignore her. But it feels a bit like bullying.

In our village, particulary the school gates its very cliquey. She is part of the biggest group of mums, its very if your face doesnt fit, they wont talk to you. I hate that, and will talk to anyone waiting. I make a point of talking to one mum in particular who gets ignored, and have had her and her child round for play dates. SIL had the front to ask me why. I said because its nice to, and I like her. Her face pinched again and she rolled her eyes at me. I really dislike SIL and think she has been allowed to get away with acting like a knob for too long, and feel its time to stand up to her. But I refuse to be rude, as I dont want to stoop to her level, but I think I need to find a polite way of being firmer with her.

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redexpat · 12/10/2014 00:30

Two useful phrases:

Youre opinion is both unwanted and unhelpful.

Fuck off you smug patronising bitch.

Im pregnant and hormonal, so maybe not best placed to advise. Am Angry on your behalf.

Coughle · 12/10/2014 00:32

Your DP needs to step up and support you. How dare he apologise on your behalf?? He should be furious with her.

PercyHorse · 12/10/2014 00:33

You sound very reasonable and mature.*

  • if you get tired of being reasonable and mature you'd be well within your rights to slap her round the head with a halibut
dalekanium · 12/10/2014 00:34

My Dh can be spectacularly annoying.

On of his finest creations, if you try to pull him up on anything is to say 'what are you... The xxxx police'

Perfectly reasonable, perfectly annoying

So I.'d advise

'What are you, the breastfeeding police'

Whenever she starts up. The pause. Don't say anything else. Just look at her. If / when she tries to argue, or say 'just saying' just keep repeating 'well...are you?... Are you the breastfeeding police? No? Well then, give it a bloody rest love. No one is interested'

It is so annoying, every argument she could make is perfectly countered :)

SquidgyMaltLoaf · 12/10/2014 00:38

You don't owe her any apology. She has been rude and spiteful. I think you sound like you've got the patience of a saint tbh!