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unleashingtheflyingmonkeys · 11/10/2014 23:19

Hi all,

I was talking to one of the in laws today. I am currently pregnant, on maternity leave from work, as well as a full time student, and due any day. We were discussing my plans for next year, when I'll go back to work, study etc. She said I was selfish, and I should have more time off so I can be a 'proper mummy'. I asked her to clarify, and she thinks that theres nothing wrong with my parenting, but thinks my kids should be my only focus. She then said she was a 'full time parent' and loves it, and its something I should think about.

All of her friends and most of her family stay at home after having kids, and I have never given it a second thought. I think Mums and Dads should do whatever is best for them, their kids and their circumstances. But I dont think returning to work or study makes them less of a parent.

I also think that just because someone works, it doesn't make them less than a full time parent. Every parent is a full time parent, full time worry, love, responsibility. I feel she was belittling me by describing herself as a full time mummy, and said I am one too NOW I'm on maternity leave.

Being hormonal I was a bit short with her, as I would normally ignore it. I said that my choices are based on what is best for my kids, and for me, and that I am entitled to feel like more than a Mum. I love my kids and my family, but feel that is not all of who I am, and whilst I can balance everything and keep my kids happy, why shouldn't I? I don't judge other Mums based on their occupations as being a parent is hard regardless, but don't feel she should be looking down her nose at me because I don't spend every waking moment with my kids. We spend lots of quality time together, I don't have money worries thanks to my part time salary, and I feel fulfilled by finishing my education. Their childminder is amazing, and is very good at arts and crafts, and teaches them skills, like drawing etc I don't have. We have become firm friends over the years and she will be my babies godmother, so again they are not being 'abandoned' as she put it.

I'm pissed off she put me in a situation where I felt I had to justify my choices to her, in front of her friends and the rest of her family, like shes somehow superior to me. I honestly felt she was trying to shame me in some way. I don't see the need for a divide, why can't a mum simply be a mum, without the words 'working' or 'stay at home' attached.

I have said to DP that I want to avoid this person, as I felt she has crossed a line, and been offensive. I also said to DP that I feel an apology for the way she said what she said, and how it came across. I think there is a way of expressing an opinion without being insensitive or offensive. I also think that in some cases, if you don't have anything positive to say, its better not to say anything. He accused me of being 'precious' and told me to ignore it, and not be childish. Also that I owe her an apology for my parting shot, and humiliating her in front of family and friends. Not convinced as you'll read below.

Relevant history - I have kidney issues, bladder issues and issues with a crumbling disc in my back - so thanks to the medication I have to take for these conditions, have never been allowed to breast feed, due to the medication crossing into the milk apparently. The advice came from my Doctors so I didn't breast feed. She embarrassed me hugely with my first, by saying I was 'one of those Mums who bottle feeds' and tried to lecture me on the benefits of breast feeding. If it were possible I would have breast fed, or attempted to, and made that method of feeding a priority. But I couldn't, she knew why but continued to bring it up in public, and made me feel ashamed I couldn't 'feed my child properly'.

She also said to her friends today 'shes one of the bottle feeding brigade' and laughed. Again I felt judged and felt the need to explain to people I didnt know why I couldn't BF. I appreciate BF is best, but again its personal choice for some women (I know it wasnt for me). I think shes an arse for judging other women and their choices, and said so to her face. My parting shot to her, was that 'life is hard enough as a Mum, when you worry your best is good enough, and that your are doing the best for your child, without judgemental women making you feel worse. If people spent as much time supporting each other, as judging the world would be a better place'. Then left. Then cried in the car for half an hour. Bloody hormones.

AIBU to be pissed off at what she said and what do I do about future interactions with her - avoid or suck it up x

OP posts:
AbbieHoffmansAfro · 12/10/2014 00:42

She's nice in private, shows you up in public?

Be restrained in public, and completely ignore her in private. And deny it if challenged.

cheerupandhaveaglassofwine · 12/10/2014 00:43

Do what's best for you, your child and family and tell her to do one

LizLimone · 12/10/2014 00:43

She sounds awful. The only response I could recommend is 'Thanks for the input but your opinion is not required' accompanied by a stern look and leave it at that.

No way should you or your DH apologize. She sounds like someone who has had her own way for too long.

I would avoid her as much as possible and keep your conversations neutral. If she raises any personal issues like BF/FF or working mothers just change the subject or say 'Really? That's interesting you feel that way.' Etc. Don't rise to the bait.

MrsGSR · 12/10/2014 00:52

YANBU, she sounds horrible and definitely owes you an apology.

If it was me, everytime she mentions being the 'kind of mother to bottle feed' I'd say "no, I'm the kind of mother who doesn't want to drug my baby with the medication I have to take" and look at her like she's crazy. Which it sounds like she is!

winkywinkola · 12/10/2014 01:04

Op, you sound like an amazing person.

In the face of such total and utter rudeness, you've been absolutely polite and normal. Do not apologise to this woman. She sounds horrific.

And her Queen Bee behaviour at school - omg! Just ignore, or be excessively polite.

Know that the people she chooses to exclude are probably quality people who choose not to be her acolytes at the school gate. There are many at my school who are desperate to be part of the 'gang' and try so hard. It's awful and pathetic.

Keep on going your own way. It's the right way for you and yours. Don't explain yourself to anyone. I really hope you can just walk away from her at future family engagements. She sounds horrific!

MexicanSpringtime · 12/10/2014 01:06

She is incredible rude. What about saying, "Yeap, and I can't wait until they are six and I can send them out to work"

Bulbasaur · 12/10/2014 01:20

Just turn it around. Say you think she's selfish by not working and therefore providing the very best opportunities for her children. Make sure you inform her that you love your children enough to want to pay for uni or a down payment on their first house. :)

Really, I'd ignore and get used to it. Once you become a mom you're indoctrinated into the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" club. Get good at not giving a shit now before you're hormonal and sleep deprived. Wink

winkywinkola · 12/10/2014 01:32

And take comfort that her need to attack other people's choices days an awful lot about her and her insecurities about her own situation. A situation which may not be her choice either.

LemonDrizzleTwunt · 12/10/2014 01:43

Just go with the MN classic- "wow, did you mean to be so rude?"

puds11isNAUGHTYnotNAICE · 12/10/2014 01:56

Just go with " Urgh fuck off Kathy" Even if she's not called Kathy. This will throw her Grin

AcrossthePond55 · 12/10/2014 02:14

I think she sounds like a jealous cow.

I'd tell her "When I want your opinion I'll ask for it………and I'm NOT asking for it right now!!".

Seriously, I don't think you said anything wrong. It was actually brilliant. And the next time she makes a beeline for you, make a beeline for the loo, or your car, or anywhere else.

actuallylolatlolcats · 12/10/2014 03:36

The concept of spending huge amounts of time with our children beyond infancy is an entirely modern one.

A housewife has for many many many years previously, often had quite a few children to care for due to a lack of contraception, and much harder more manual household tasks to take care of on a day to day basis, and all within daylight, due to a obvious lack of electricity.

Ancient or medieval housewives did not spend their days playing with or entertaining their children, they just didn't have the time. Or, if they were of a higher class, royal for example, barely ever saw their children.
Is she suggesting that every child born in this vast time frame of human existence before the modern age, grew into mentally and socially unwell adults due to the lack of maternal love received as children, because their mother was busy?

No, mothers didn't used to 'go to work' in the same way as they do now, but they were busy, have always been busy, women, both stay at home mothers and working mothers in the western world spend more time actually interacting with their children NOW than at any point in human history. No, I'm not there 24 hours a day, but I'm still there significantly more than I'm realistically NEEDED, and most importantly my children are happy, my partner is happy and I am happy, and I'm personally quite content with that.

That is what I would tell her.

3luckystars · 12/10/2014 04:26

Fuck off kathy is my favourite by a mile.

Butterflywings168 · 12/10/2014 04:34

She's a twat. Angry

Lookslikeimstuckhere · 12/10/2014 09:43

Yeah, fuck off Kathy.

Cornettoninja · 12/10/2014 10:02

As someone who doesn't have to put up with her crap she sounds ridiculous.

My favourite method of dealing with twats is to laugh in their face every time something twatish leaves their mouth.

It's passive aggressive enough to not warrent 'apologies' (don't you dare cave in on that one. She upset you and got told about it), doesn't engage them in a discussion trying to defend yourself and makes sure other people know you aren't taking them seriously.

Try and move past the irritation enough to see what a tool she is and just laugh.

Only1scoop · 12/10/2014 10:09

Probably jealous if your career and studies....probably secretly bored.

She sounds like a nausbox and don't make any further excuses re feeding etc. just give her a withering look and walk away.

Greengrow · 12/10/2014 10:37

I have a list of about 100 reasons why women working full time and earning well is better for children and it is worse if women stay home but if I start to list those things stay ave home mothers weep into their hankies and feel distraught so we shall keep it up my sleeve but take it from me there is nothing you can do better for your child as a woman than working and all the other stuff about staying home is just sexist clap trap and indeed you could damage the child by just being at home.

Justgotosleepnow · 12/10/2014 10:47

Wow just wow. This woman is horrible. Possibly jealous of you. Probably a bully, used to throwing her weight around and everyone agreeing with her.

And you come along with opinions and your own point of view. Cripes.

No way should you apologise for another person being incredibly rude. Stick to your guns.

Calm and dignified put downs, short and to the point. That will get the message across not to mess with you.

If she's expecting an apology then she's not used to anyone standing up to her Confused

I cannot stand all her judgements. Truly awful.
Good luck, I say stand up for yourself and your DH has to too.

MexicanSpringtime · 12/10/2014 14:49

And take comfort that her need to attack other people's choices days an awful lot about her and her insecurities about her own situation. A situation which may not be her choice either

This

theparadoxofourage · 12/10/2014 15:06

My mum was an incredible mother and she worked full time as a teacher. IMO she'd have made the worst stay at home mother because she'd have been bored out of her mind. Different strokes for different folks and all that. If staying at home isn't what you want to do then you might be a worse parent for it even!

OfaFrenchMind · 12/10/2014 17:20

greengrow yes yes yes!

Meechimoo · 12/10/2014 17:36

Greengrow, I firmly believe that anyone who incessantly slates the choices of other mothers is unsure of their choices. And just as the op's sil is a thoughtless nob who probably wobbles over her decision to be sahm, I'm sure your continual campaign against sahms (which is considerably toned down from your previous usernames, but when you talk about your island and 5 kids etc it's obvious who you are) is a result of something much deeper than I'm sure you'd ever be free to admit. You think women should hop back to work when baby is a week or two old. I'd rather have remained childless than do that.

raltheraffe · 12/10/2014 17:50

My sister in law and brother in law are both SAHP. I run a SME and husband is home full time with our son. She once laid into me as a bad mother as I work, when what I should do is stay at home and claim income support. I was fuming.

Greengrow · 12/10/2014 18:22

I have no "campaign". I just know that for most children it is better if mothers work.