Extreme Brat Camp - ch4 now

[PourquoiTuGachesTaVie]

Some of these children are far too young to be in a place like this. They have FIVE year olds there. Wtf?

[MindReader]

I switched this programme on by accident.

The fear in some of the kids faces was awful to see and the sneering/grinning from the 'Volunteers' as they saw the kids 'out of control spirits' being 'broken' was appalling.

Vile. Here it would warrant SS no doubt.
There the 'judiciary' bring these kids back when they escape!!!

And they dress them in orange jumpsuits and refer to 'Camp Kid-anamo'.
How much more offensive and vile could they be???

And the leaders are 'charismatic individuals with a calling'?

Yes, for child abuse. Sick.

I should say I only saw about 10 mins before I switched off so I can only comment on that but it made me feel ill.

[ChillyHeatwave]

Shackles and spit bags. Nice.

And this little boy isn't a bad kid. If he is .'angry' then there is a reason. Don't abandon them! Poor love.

[lu9months]

its so hard to watch, they are talking about handcuffing children to transport them, one boy is being transported against his will to a year long residential programme. surely this is just teaching them that they cant trust their parents , and the relationships will break down completely

[RipMacWinkle]

That's it. I had to turn off. Those wee boys pleading with their mums not to be left is too much.

[HappyYoni]

This is horrendous :(

[Runwayqueen]

Dp has it on. I've had to leave the room as IMAP disturbed by its awful content

[BarbarianMum]

It makes me sick and angry by turns. Those poor kids.

Please tell me nothing like this is legal in the UK.

[Runwayqueen]

I'm **

[fidelma]

I am horrified!!!!

[ChillyHeatwave]

Bullied at school and one sent away by his mum. I can't watch any more. :(

[GuiltyAsAGirlCanBe]

That poor kid has no one. He didn't want to go to school because he is bullied so his mum sends him off in a van with a couple of skinheads. Fucking vile.

[lollipoppi]

I've just watched the first 10 mins of it, I was in tears watching that little boy cry
I can't watch any more, not tonight anyway I'm an emotional wreck!

[GuiltyAsAGirlCanBe]

Weekly brainwashing sessions more like.

[thenightsky]

36,000 Dollars? No wonder the staff appear to be wanting the kids to have to come back again!

[HappyYoni]

It's just awful. Barbarianmum I'm pretty sure we don't have anything like that here.

[MindReader]

HOW can this be legal???

Handcuffing children?
Sleep deprivation?
Prison uniforms?
For up to a year?

Christ on a bike

[fidelma]

I am really struggling with this programme. It needs to be stopped.

[Aboyce1]

What's worse is that there is another blog re this and I've never seen so any comments from parents that think it's funny to see a five or 8 year old lifting planks to the point where their body can't take anymore. That sickens me. I'm all for discipline but this is just abuse plain and simple. Just because they don't physically touch them ( which I don't think anyone can be sure of ) doesn't mean it's ok to cause physical pain via lifting heavy items until you collapse. If I used that as a form of punishment if be told I was abusing my child! It makes me laugh how they justify it with 'we don't touch them' ... No u just systematically break them and use sleep deprivation to bully!! Why not just send them to Guantanamo bay and be done with it. IMO the parents should be sent there and at least have to watch what they do to the children. I can't imagine the damage caused to their bones, body, mental well being. I understand teens who are getting into drugs etc but even then they are not treating the cause of the problem. Shocked!

[Hatespiders]

We were both in tears. It's outrageous.

The 'men' are sadistic child abusers. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's sexual abuse as well. After all, no-one sees.

How in the name of heaven can the USA permit such stuff? There seems to be no central Government monitoring of these places. Lawyers are preparing human rights type of action for victims, but by then it's too late.

Parents who put their children in for this cruelty deserve prison.

I expect these poor little mites are damaged for life.

We've both said we shan't sleep tonight for thinking about this.

I've worked in UK prisons with adult male inmates, and the Howard League of Prison Reform Rules wouldn't countenance the tenth of what we saw being done to these bairns. Deprived of sleep, made to march long distances, shouted at and bullied etc..... all totally forbidden in UK prisons.

Can't something be done to put a stop to it?

[BarbarianMum]

They've tried a more punative (to the point of actual physical abuse) approach to teenage drug use in Russia Aboyce. And, unsurprisingly, found it doesn't work at all. Taking alienated young people and completely fucking them up in the name of authority doesn't. Positive discipline, listening, love, helping them sort out all the shit in their lives/heads - that helps. Because even out of control teens are people.

[MindReader]

Hatespiders

it's been on my mind all night.

I've even been thinking of writing to Mr Obama!

There are enough horrors in the world I don't suppose a letter from me would get any attention but I wonder if lots of us wrote?

I watched my two this morning - 10 and 7 - dithering, messing about, a bit of anger re getting up (10 going on 17 if you ask me...), complete failure to listen to instructions re bag, shoes, coat...
Mostly because one sat up reading against my instructions and one sat up doing loombands against my instructions.

SUre, I am annoyed at the rubbish start to the day for all of us, but I am also aware it is half term soon and they desperately need it. They are both on growth spurts. They are both trying to find their way in the world.

I walked away from the TV after about 15 mins last night.
I left it on by mistake and went to switch it off just as it was ending.
A mother was explaining how she sent her boy, for 3/4 long weekends but stopped as 'it didn't 'cure' him'. Of what? she was asked? Well, she said, really as a 'preventative measure'. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(other than that she seemed quite nice)

I thought the end clip of the 'reunion' between parents and kids was very telling.
Many of those kids didn't look their parents in the eye or smile. Some did and were very effusive, but a good number showed the damage to the relationship right there and then.

[Hatespiders]

I've been a teacher of 6-12yr-olds all my working life. I've managed to handle seriously disturbed children, very naughty ones and rude, cheeky ones. I had a nice, quiet, happy, busy and organised classroom. My pupils were never shouted at, physically bullied or punished with inhumane and weird punishments. I had over 30 at a time, yet never had bad behaviour problems. There are sensible strategies for putting children on the right path.

This 'treatment' could (and likely does) create psychopathic, bitter and vengeful individuals; the sort who later in life grab an automatic machine gun and massacre whole schoolfuls of children in an uncontrollable rage. Er....wait a minute ...........!!!!!

I still can't get the prog out of my head. Those poor sobbing boys, powerless to escape the relentless abuse and bullying. I could only pray...

[Aeroflotgirl]

I am shocked! Is this legal, very young children as young as 5 in these camps. Do these people know about chikd development! Do they now how to deal with very young chikdren, and the consequences of this on them. I am find with teens, especially if their going towards drugs and crime, but not young children! One parent said she used to give threats and never follow through, well follow through. These parents need it, not the children. Are these transporters who take the children checked. How do you know they are not paedophiles.

[BertieBotts]

You could indeed write to Obama but doubt it would get results.

You would probably have more luck complaining to OFCOM about the content of the programme, if it got banned that would stir up some press.

America in general has some really fucked up ideas about discipline.

[BertieBotts]

I don't think anything close to this would be legal in the whole of the EU, TBH.