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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To want action taken against the teacher?

148 replies

Shewhojuggles · 24/09/2014 15:55

My DD is in y6 and yesterday her teacher threw a book at her in front of the whole class and told her that her work isn't good enough. She came home upset.

The teacher has apologised to her and the Head Teacher has too and said it won't happen again. AIBU to want further action taken? She's demeaned DD in front of her peers and broken the trust that a child (and me) should have in the teacher and her duty of care. I'm absolutely livid Angry

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ilovesooty · 24/09/2014 20:14

For all you know the teacher has been placed on capability procedures as a result of this. If that's the case, you have no right to know about it.

If there has been an apology and reassurance from the HT, I think that should suffice.

Iliveinalighthousewiththeghost · 24/09/2014 20:19

Erm sooty. If her it involves her child then I think she does have a right to know.

DamnBamboo · 24/09/2014 20:21

Are there rules or laws in place that say a parent has no right to know what disciplinary procedures a teacher is undergoing, if there child is involved? Why does the OP have no right to know about this?

rollonthesummer · 24/09/2014 20:24

I think it is wrong to suggest the parent has to let it go and accept that the school is dealing with it, in the absence of any evidence to show that they are. As a parent, she would have every right to ask how this is being dealt with and what the disciplinary procedures are in place in this instance.

Absolute piffle.

They will not tell you what, if any, disciplinary procedures have taken place.

DamnBamboo · 24/09/2014 20:25

I said parents had a right to ask!

Read my post!

rollonthesummer · 24/09/2014 20:28

What's the point in asking when they aren't going to tell you??!

DamnBamboo · 24/09/2014 20:32

It's about asking if the procedures are in place! Rather than specifically what they're doing with that teacher!

If they don't have them in place, big red flag right there. Apology or not. Definitely a GB issue.

CombineBananaFister · 24/09/2014 20:36

Simply not enough information or context. It sounds unfair but as others have said was the book thrown with intent to harm at your well behaved childs head for not reaching a required standard of work ?? Does the teacher have form for it and is she not well regarded and needs further action

OR

Did she throw the book on the desk at close quarters in disdain at your dd. Did your DD do the work or take the piss, was she capable and couldn't be arsed or struggling needing help (big difference) Does your DD have form for this and excuses being made for her?

World of difference IMHO. The former I'd follow up the latter I'd be having words with DD

ravenAK · 24/09/2014 20:36

Absolutely fine to ask for a copy of the complaints procedure.

Details re: disciplinary proceedings, nope.

Of course if you didn't believe that the school's policies were being followed, GB would be your next step.

They'd ask the HT to confirm what steps had been taken. If they weren't satisfied, they could take appropriate action re: the HT's failure to follow policy.

They would not inform the parent of the outcome of any of this.

The rules in place are standard confidentiality ones, applicable to most people in employment.

ilovesooty · 24/09/2014 20:37

Erm sooty. If her it involves her child then I think she does have a right to know

No she doesn't.If she knows that the matter has been escalated to the HT that is enough. No parent has the right to be told teachers are on official capability, just that the matter is being dealt with and it won't happen again.

buffythemuffinslayer · 24/09/2014 20:37

We had a teacher who used to hit us over the head with a rolled up newspaper (not in the mists of time - 2001!) - then again we were teens and very irritating. It didn't help, incidentally.

Where is OP??

ilovesooty · 24/09/2014 20:38

Exactly, raveAK

KatieKaye · 24/09/2014 20:43

I'd ask for the apology in writing too.
Hope DDs class mates are equally shocked. This could backfire on the teacher very badly if she has a class of hostile or frightened children.

Putmedownsaidthefish · 24/09/2014 20:46

I too would ask for the apology in writing. Hope your dd is ok.

PenelopePitstops · 24/09/2014 20:51

Really, a written apology for probably throwing a book on to a desk on front of a child.

If the work was shit it was shit. Get over it. Lord help your child at secondary. A half hour detention for no book would cause ructions in your household.

ArsenicFaceCream · 24/09/2014 21:02

A detention is a perfectly reasonable non-temper-driven disciplinary measure Penelope. Which is the difference.

The point of a written record is to ensure that the teacher's violent response is not completely expunged from the record and she will think twice before doing the same again.

soverylucky · 24/09/2014 21:03

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MrsDeVere · 24/09/2014 21:24

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PenelopePitstops · 24/09/2014 21:47

I have 'thrown' books at pupils, more low level skimming in their general direction. I'll wager this happened or the book was thrown on the desk.

I agree with Mrs, it's not the most damaging thing that will happen to your child. Teach them some resilience.

ArsenicFaceCream · 24/09/2014 21:52

Would the head really have apologised for cool-headed 'low level skimming'?

Springheeled · 24/09/2014 21:57

Depends arsenic - on the head, the parent, the circumstances of the school, as well as whether the book was skimmed or thrown.
'Action taken' - does OP want the teacher sacked? What other action could be taken since there has been an apology?

ArsenicFaceCream · 24/09/2014 22:03

It would be a spineless headtecher who sanctioned two apologies for something that wasn't particularly 'wrong', just to assuage a parent or similar.

There are many many steps between a verbal apology and a sacking, not least an entire disciplinary procedure. OP hasn't mentioned anything close to sacking.

Springheeled · 24/09/2014 22:15

There are a great many spineless head teachers around, such is the climate in education.
What else does the OP want, seriously? Sackcloth and ashes? Police? Capability?
With only the context provided in the OP it's hard to say whether further action is necessary.
If it was my dc I would first of all look at the work and see whether the teacher had a valid criticism of the effort.

ilovesooty · 24/09/2014 22:17

Would the head really have apologised for cool-headed 'low level skimming'?

My previous HT would havedone. He'd apologise to any parent who breathed a word of dissatisfaction and hang his staff out to dry, whether they'd done anything wrong or not or regardless of the facts.

ilovesooty · 24/09/2014 22:19

And since last September that disciplinary process can be very speedy if the HT wants it to be.

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